2013 Habs Top 25 Under 25: How we voted

Subban, Gallagher, and Galchenyuk are just glad this whole exercise is over. - USA TODAY Sports

While the final rankings reflected the cumulative rankings of our panel of 12, the individual lists were quite a bit different. Here's a look at how we voted.

Coming up with a ranking like this takes a bit of time, and we have a lot of people who think quite a bit differently about the young players in the Canadiens system than others do. The following lists were submitted by our twelve panelists, with some only submitting 25-35 names of 44, while several ranked all the way to the very bottom:

EOTP Player Arik Ian Matt Marc Stephan Robert Andrew Bruce Justin Chris Laura J-F
1 Subban 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
2 Galchenyuk 2 4 4 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3
3 Pacioretty 4 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 3 2 2
4 Eller 3 3 2 4 4 4 4 6 5 4 4 4
5 Gallagher 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 3 5 5 5
6 Beaulieu 7 6 8 6 7 6 6 4 8 6 6 7
7 Tinordi 6 7 6 7 6 7 9 8 6 8 7 6
8 Collberg 9 11 7 8 11 8 8 10 10 9 9 9
9 Leblanc 11 14 13 11 8 9 11 12 14 7 11 8
10 Hudon 8 10 9 13 9 14 10 15 7 10 17 10
11 Bozon 13 12 12 16 10 11 12 7 15 19 13 11
12 Bournival 19 15 11 17 23 17 14 21 21 11 8 15
13 Lehkonen 14 27 29 10 14 12 7 11 16 14 19
14 McCarron 17 29 24 9 15 18 13 18 9 13 15 21
15 Nygren 10 16 27 12 12 13 18 13 32 12 23 18
16 Ellis 20 20 10 28 17 25 15 16 17 16 10 16
17 De La Rose 15 28 23 15 13 16 17 9 13 21 19 25
18 Dietz 21 17 14 21 18 15 20 23 20 15 22 12
19 Thomas 16 9 18 16 10 16 14 28 26 12 24
20 Dumont 12 13 22 19 22 22 21 19 15 28 21 14
21 Pateryn 26 8 19 24 21 19 26 22 11 25 13
22 Fucale 18 25 25 14 20 24 19 27 12 18 20 20
23 Thrower 23 21 15 26 29 26 22 24 22 20 16 26
24 Bennett 24 24 17 22 19 30 28 26 18 17 25 22
25 Holland 25 19 16 23 27 20 25 25 19 22 24 28
26 Andrighetto 27 30 20 25 24 23 29 17 23 29 14 23
27 Vail 22 32 18 20 30 21 24 29 26 36 18 27
28 Nattinen 30 22 28 31 25 27 23 28 24 27 17
29 Tokarski 31 18 26 30 26 28 27 20 27 39 30
30 MacMillan 29 23 32 28 31 30 34 35 29
31 Didier 34 34 27 31 32 38 30 29 32 36
32 Quailer 37 35 21 33 35 34 37 37 33 24 31
33 Reway 28 33 30 34 32 29 32 31 34 37 38
34 Nystrom 42 31 29 34 35 31 39 30 23 35
35 Mayer 38 26 36 36 32 43 32
36 Gregoire 35 33 33 33 35 34 42
37 Fournier 32 41 34 33 33 40
38 Crisp 36 35 40 35 42 35 31 39
39 Trunev 33 38 40 41 31 40 44
40 Sullivan 39 39 43 40 38 37
41 Condon 43 43 41 36 41 33
42 Walsh 44 36 42 42 38 42 34
43 Delmas 40 37 39 43 44 41
44 Cichy 41 31 44 44 44 30 43

Decipher what you can from this table about our individual preferences. On a personal note, I'd probably make a couple of tinkers to the list after this whole exercise, particularly with my ranking of Bournival, and I think Chris Boyle made a convincing argument about Leblanc enough for me to bump him up a little, possibly since I overadjusted too much to accommodate some of the younger forwards.

After we started the process, I got to thinking about the emphasis we laid on the question that we asked people to make their rankings by: "Would you trade this guy for...?" With that in mind, I thought about what this list would look like if we simply didn't take the average vote of the panel. We all wouldn't trade Subban for anyone else, but a few of us would trade Galchenyuk for Pacioretty and even one for Eller. If you look at the ranking of Darren Dietz vs. Christian Thomas, for example, more panelists would prefer to have Thomas (8) over Dietz (4), yet the ranking reflects the opposite. So what would our ranking look like if we simply said: "This guy, or this guy?" to the panel in a democratic vote? Well, here you go:

Player Trade Rank Average Rank Difference
P.K. Subban 1 1 =
Alex Galchenyuk 2 2 =
Max Pacioretty 3 3 =
Lars Eller 4 4 =
Brendan Gallagher 5 5 =
Nathan Beaulieu 6 6 =
Jarred Tinordi 7 7 =
Sebastien Collberg 8 8 =
Louis Leblanc 9 9 =
Charles Hudon 10 10 =
Tim Bozon 11 11 =
Magnus Nygren 12 15 +3
Arturri Lehkonen 13 13 =
Jacob De La Rose 14 17 +3
Michael Bournival 15 12 -3
Michael McCarron 16 14 -2
Christian Thomas 17 19 +2
Morgan Ellis 18 16 -2
Darren Dietz 19 18 -1
Zach Fucale 20 22 +2
Gabriel Dumont 21 19 -2
Greg Pateryn 22 21 -1
Dalton Thrower 23 23 =
Mac Bennett 24 24 =
Patrick Holland 25 25 =
Sven Andrighetto 26 26 =
Joonas Nattinen 27 28 +1
Brady Vail 28 27 -1
Dustin Tokarski 29 29 =
Mark MacMillan 30 30 =
Josiah Didier 31 31 =
Eric Nystrom 32 34 +2
Martin Reway 33 33 =
Steve Quailer 34 32 -2
Connor Crisp 35 38 +3
Jason Gregoire 36 36 =
Robert Mayer 37 35 -2
Stephan Fournier 38 37 -1
Maxim Trunev 39 39 =
Mike Condon 40 41 +1
Dustin Walsh 41 42 +1
Colin Sullivan 42 40 -2
Peter Delmas 43 43 =
Mike Cichy 44 44 =

As you can see, the notable change is in the muddy middle. Magnus Nygren is actually preferred by the majority of the panel to everyone ranked below him and rises to 12th even though his cumulative total was only the 15th best score. Lehkonen is the next most preferred player, although he's in a dead heat with fellow 2013 2nd round pick De La Rose. De La Rose is actually in a unique position: he has 50/50 splits with not only Lehkonen, but Bournival, McCarron, and Ellis for preference, while being the preference of the majority of the panel for everyone else below him. The other players weren't quite as clear cut above the rest of the fold, so De La Rose gets the bump up the list. Bournival and McCarron are similarly closely regarded. In some ways, the panel basically came up with a tie between De La Rose, Bournival, and McCarron.

Christian Thomas and Zach Fucale get minor bumps as well from this, and even the controversial Connor Crisp gets a little love by this method. I think the panel's majority opinion might be better reflected by this manner rather than treating ranking places as one in the same. I know for me personally, I had distinctions throughout the list as to where people were placed, and the drop from 3 to 4, 6 to 7, and 13 to 14 were a lot bigger than other drops. I think this methodology might be how we finalize the rankings going forward.

As for our current list, it was based on who was in the system as of July 2013. We're already down to just 42 players under the age of 25 in the organization, as Dustin Walsh and Mike Cichy became unrestricted free agents on August 15 as expired collegiate draft picks. I think you can tell what my opinion of any player I ranked below Dustin Walsh (at 38th) was by the fact that I'd rather have kept him than those other guys. Let's just say I'm not too optimistic about those players' professional careers, especially in regards to the timeline of making an impact with the Canadiens.


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