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Habs Trade Deadline Begins: Gill Traded to Nashville

The Montreal Canadiens have traded defenseman and assistant captain Hal Gill to the Nashville Predators, with a conditional 5th round pick (2013) for a 2nd round pick (2012), and forwards Blake Geoffrion and Robert Slaney.

Slaney is an ECHL left winger and is likely just depth for Hamilton. The meat of the deal is Gill and a conditional 5th for a 2nd and Geoffrion.

Going into the deadline I figured Gill's worth, based on historical returns for a player like him, was approximately a 2nd rounder plus an asset. This deal is approximately that. 2nd rounder from Nashville figures to be 50th-55th come draft day. A place with about a 30% chance for a decent NHL player (probably better if your head scout is Trevor Timmins).

Geoffrion is a scion of a noble Habs family, the great-grandson of Howie Morenz and grandson of "Boom Boom" Geoffrion. His father Daniel, played 30 games for the Canadiens in the 1979-80 season.

He was a star NCAA LW but at 23 years old has yet to really break out as a professional; his best performance being his 37 points in 45 games as 22 year old in the AHL last year. He's played as a depth guy in Nashville and a good AHL forward in Milwaukee this season. As a prospect you could say he is somewhat below but not that far from the level that Aaron Palushaj is at. He does help shore up LW prospect depth, which is a bit of a weak area in Montreal's system.

The condition of the 5th round pick is whether Geoffrion plays 40 games in the NHL next season. If he does he's probably worth a 5th rounder (which isn't worth much).

The Hamilton Bulldogs have confirmed that Geoffrion will report to the team on Saturday.

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Solid return

I’d have liked to see Gill join the Sens, but not at that price. Your GM actually did well with this one, I’d say.

by Peter Raaymakers on Feb 17, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

Gill has big perceived playoff value and the Grossman trade showed were the market was for stay at home defenders. On the good side of the range of what I figured Gill would get.

For Nashville, they have the defensive depth to shelter Gill 5 on 5 and can use him to free up Suter and Weber for more 5 on 5 and PP minutes by getting him to lead the penalty kill.

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty good return for the slowest player in this league who´s only good shorthanded. I don´t know why anyone wouldn´t like this trade…

by Torres on Feb 17, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

I suspect the consensus will be positive if only because, generally speaking, I’m not sure people were anticipating an immediate 2nd rounder plus assets, even if one could argue their value remains to be seen.

The trade works for both sides, but Poile clearly stepped up as the buyer.

Still, I’m not seeing any mention of how Brad Marchand is a lowlife weasel, and I think it’s a consideration integral to the discussion.

by JD__ on Feb 17, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Chris Boyle on Feb 17, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Rat, not weasel!

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by Chris Boyle on Feb 17, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Great return

I think Geoffrion is a better prospect today than Palushaj given his size, speed, willingness to use the body, and positional flexibility …. and could be a very solid 3rd line, 2-way NHL player. 2nd alone would’ve been OK return. If PG does this well in dumping either or both of Moen and AK46, he deserves major props.

by Watty4ever on Feb 17, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

Last year you’d have an argument but he’s been absolutely brutal this season. Plus is a year older than Palushaj. In terms of chance of having a meaningful impact at the NHL level Aaron has to be ahead of him at this point. Would be as good of a prospect as anyone else in Hamilton at this point though (not that that is saying much).

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

hope springs eternal

last year the young Boomer looked solid and at just 23, the hope is that he has room to get better if he finds the right fit in the right system … When I see a guy like DD come from nowhere at 23/24 and blossom into a 2nd line player, I’m thinking that not every player shows his full potential by 20 …. and if he regresses, so be it … nothin’ lost

by Watty4ever on Feb 17, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Desharnais didn’t really come from nowhere, he just had to work his way up the hard way.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 17, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

DD obliterated every league he’s ever played in until he reached the NHL.

by MathMan on Feb 17, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, he didn’t come from nowhere, he just had to make everyone look bad until he got a chance.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 17, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Barely over 1.0 shots/game in the NHLlast year and under 1.0/game this year. In the AHL it’s 1.9 s/game this year and 1.6/gamelast.

Looks like he’ll have to develop a very nice defensive game or be an overrated grinder to have much of a career in the NHL.

by Roke on Feb 17, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Or be magical like Sergei Kostitsyn and just score on 25% of his shots. Seriously, how is SK doing it? 2 years of good luck now.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 17, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

He might be the new Tanguay. Apparently he actually does pass on shooting opportunities.

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Emphasis on “might.”

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Even Tanguay shoots almost twice as much as Kostitsyn. 23 goals on 93 shots last year. Crazy. He barely gets over a shot per game.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 17, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He's doing it with awesomeness :)

He’s playing really well for us over the past 2 years. Some of y’all say that a 2nd rounder would have been sufficient for Gill…..maybe Poile was making up for the Kostitsyn deal?

I doubt it too……..

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 17, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be that he was being nice after we essentially gave you a top 6 forward for nada!

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by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 18, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Geoffrion has a stretch-run hat-trick on his resume

which is much more than Palushaj can claim. No, he is not playing as well as Palushaj this season, but looking forward there is a better chance that he will lay claim to a top 9 spot in our lineup than Palushaj. My guess is that when Geoffrion will have a couple weeks to be introduced to our system and club culture, then when Moen is traded, he’ll be called up to take his spot. Add in the 2nd rounder and this was a good deal for MTL.. in the present and for the future.

by khaleeji on Feb 18, 2012 3:32 AM EST up reply actions  

One good game doesn’t really mean much. The age thing is also a significant factor here, he’s getting towards make or break time.

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 18, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Now the question is what kind of offers, if any are out there for Campoli and Kaberle on defense and Moen for forwards.

And if someone wants to overpay for Kostitsyn or ifcoaching incompetence drives him out of MTL.

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

offers

I don’t think we’ll get this much for Campoli, probably just a pick.. and a 2nd rounder would be stretching it.

I think this trade will serve as a benchmark for any team wanting to add Moen, and rightly so, so hopefully PG and scouting crew take advantage and get a good return there.

I doubt Kaberle will move this year; his contract will be easier to trade nearer the end of his deal, or possibly during the off-season when teams have the flexibility to tinker with funds allocation.

AK47 isn’t playing up to his potential, but he does have a lot of potential and if front office is smart they’ll trade him to a team willing to pay for his potential (and climax) contribution, not to his current production. This deal for AK47 would be a sell-low and not a good enough return.

by khaleeji on Feb 18, 2012 3:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Campoli is essentially worthless to Montreal right now. He and Weber are essentially the same right now and they don’t really need the body on defense.

If they get a 4th rounder for him they did fine although I’d hope for a 3rd.

Kaberle has a scary long term commitment but roster players have inflated values at the deadline and often there’s a guy looking for something like him. There might be a buyer for him out there. Not necessarily so either but there is potential for that.

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 18, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Preds fan here.

We were excited about Geoffrion last season. He was really good at first, but once the newness wore off and he stopped trying to impress the coach, his game went south with a quickness. He is a notoriously slow starter. I guess you can chalk that up to laziness in the off season. It definitely hurt him this season and is why he ended up in Milwaukee. He had 3 points in 22 games this season before he was sent down. Then he sucked it up in the AHL, even getting scratched some nights. Maybe his pedigree hurts him and he feels entitled, i don’t know. My guess is he will be a 3rd liner at best, but possibly never be much better than a 4th liner.

What’s up with Gill? I have seen him in the playoffs, but that’s it. Give me the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

by 29thWard on Feb 17, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

Gill has limitations, but if sheltered properly will be a valuable player in the Preds playoff run.

I loved the guy. He will look bad at times because he is not fleet afoot, but he is an elite penalty killer and his jumbotron spots in Montreal are hillarious!

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by Chris Boyle on Feb 17, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Here was our first half review

Hal Gill is clearly showing a few signs of age. He went from a tough minutes defenseman paired with Subban at the beginning of the year, to a more sheltered 3rd pairing guy who doesn’t get a lot of offensive zone starts, but isn’t trusted enough to take a purely defensive role. Using Gill this way has actually worked out pretty well as his possession numbers are only slightly below even, despite the terrible play of the team overall. He’s also still quite the successful player when used properly as his risk/reward is relatively solid. Where Gill has been hurt the most is in the scoring chance differential, which has lead to a 9 true +/ rating through 42 games. He has a lot of value as a penalty killing specialist, but is likely not a player who a team will want in a top 6 role going into next year, at least not for the $2.25 million he’s making this season. Surprisingly though, considering Gill’s lack of foot-speed and style of play, he only takes 2.3 penalties per 1 that he draws which isn’t too bad.

First Quarter Grade: 6/10

First Half Grade: 5/10

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by Chris Boyle on Feb 17, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Good: Elite on the penalty kill. Sound positionally. Defends the slot fantastically.

Bad: Can’t handle top 4th minutes or assignments. Needs shelter and a decent partner.

Ugly: Can’t skate.

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Dumb Question:

But would appreciate a response anyway.

How can you be elite on the PK but be a weak defenseman? I’m thinking you mean that when he stays close to the net and isn’t required to move a lot he’s OK, but when he’s required to move the puck up the ice or skate backwards he’s a little less solid…right?

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 17, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much you hit the nail there. Gill is actually still a solid 3rd pairing guy if you weigh expectations. Put him with a guy who can skate like Ryan Ellis and he’s going to look really good. Where he struggles is races to pucks and getting beaten to the outside on the rush. However he’s good enough with his stick that he often still stops guys coming off the wing when he’s caught.

I think Nashville will really like him, if only because he can free Weber and Suter up to play a more offensive role and he can really, really help Ellis develop his defensive game. He did wonders for Subban.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 17, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this may guarantee Ellis goes back to Milwaukee. There is the whole keeping him under the minimum games played so this won’t be considered his first year and Trotz loves Klein and Bouillon. They could release Hillen, and make Ellis the scratch, but that does him very little good.

by 29thWard on Feb 17, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah.

Hillen gets waived, and Bouillon gets the scratch.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 17, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s too immobile to be much use in open ice but no one can turn a patch of ice into a place where opposing puck possession dies better than he can. Plus he’s mastered the ability to lie on the ice and use his freakish reach to deny cross-ice shooting lanes.

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks guys.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 17, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they wanted a prospect as a throw in to add to the 2nd rounder. His PR value is probably why he was selected over your other mid-range prospects.

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Blake could probably step in and play on your team tomorrow too. He has played in the NHL and was on the team and played during our playoff run. According to his history of slow starts he is about due to heat up. I also wondered if his being drafted by Nashville was a bad thing. He is from here and I am sure has lots of friends and family that distracted his focus, A new city may be exactly what he needs. You guys could easily end up with two young NHLers out of the deal.

by 29thWard on Feb 17, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

That would certainly be nice.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 17, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Good for both teams....

We add a BIG 2-3 D-pairing guy who can kill penalties, which is what we need, and y’all get some prospects. Win / Win.

Just out of curiosity, are BamBam’s genes of great interest to you guys? Or do you just look at him as a solid prospect? He’s a pretty good, very gritty forward from what I’ve seen. Unfortunately he found himself in Trotz’s doghouse this year and my understanding is that his attitude went sour with it. Hopefully a change of scenery will do him some good!

Good luck!

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 17, 2012 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

Skillsy is a 3rd pairing guy. He played on our top pair last season, but Subban carried him.

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by Chris Boyle on Feb 17, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

And I think it is a demonstration of Subban’s awesomeness that he carried Gill on a top pair as a rookie. Mind you, Gill has lost a step since then.

by MathMan on Feb 17, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The genetics make a great story, but mostly I’m hoping he ends up being a solid top 9 player. I have to admit though, seeing the name Geoffrion on a Habs jersey might give me a couple goose bumps.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 17, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Current Habs 2012 draft picks:

1st
2nd
Nash 2nd
3rd
4th
6th

5th and 7th lost for Wisniewski and Nokelainenen respectively.

Should have 5 in the top 100 right now. Expect more to come this deadline.

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

One thing I noticed though looking at capgeek for Geofrrion’s contract is that the Habs have a heck of a lot of cap space this year. There’s room to pick up a big ticket should they want to go that route, or serve as a dumping ground for an inconvenient expiring contract for a cap-strapped team.

Say, if LA wanted to dump off Dustin Penner to acquire someone else, the Habs could grab him for futures (with a pick maybe) and try him out.

by MathMan on Feb 17, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be too happy about trading futures for Penner when we could sign him in the offseason, but if LA wants to give him up to save the cap space for a conditional pick based on him signing here then I’m good for it.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 17, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The idea is to get a pick from LA in exchange for Penner’s cap space. Then you try Penner out and see what he can give you.

by MathMan on Feb 17, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

and hope it’s more than the nothing that he’s given LA since they acquired him last year at the deadline. the jury’s been in on that player for more than awhile – he is what he is, and it ain’t good

by Watty4ever on Feb 17, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He was so good in Edmonton and LA’s offense has been such a collective failure I think there is a chance there is something still there.

This would be for a Nash or Semin to LA type situation if it comes up.

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that idea is phenomenal.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 18, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m guessing Moen can fetch a 2nd rounder, Campoli only a 3rd because people will ignore his underlying numbers. Kostitsyn if he’s traded, who knows? This year’s draft, if handled properly, could be massive for the org. And we have an extra 2nd next year from the Cammalleri deal, so everyone hop Calgary missed the playoffs big time next year.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 17, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I would rate it as good...

I think it is actually a very good return for a 36 year old rental…I agree with Andrew if Moen and AK46 can fetch 2nd’s then this draft can help turn what has been a mess this season into something better in 2012-13..

by markov94 on Feb 17, 2012 8:06 PM EST reply actions  

Just noticed. Very little of the 09-10 team that was so brutal 5 on 5 but went to the ECF remains in the lineup right now.

Plekanec
Gomez
Kostitsyn

Gorges

(Price)

With Gionta and Markov injured.

Half of that defense (Hamrlik, Spacek, Gill, aka the ancient half) gone over the past 8 months.

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

Getting way younger on D is just great. A healthy Markov may be the elder statesman next year.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 18, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

The end result may be good but it was a very rough transition.

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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 18, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Bust a Cap

What’s going to happen in Washington if the Caps miss the playoffs? There is already talk of shipping out Semin … what are the chances of a complete blow-up & rebuild? Would Ovie leave town?

by Habosaurus on Feb 18, 2012 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

Semin’s an Unrestricted Free Agent at the end of the year and with them in the playoff hunt I don’t see him getting dealt.

What Washington really needs is a coach. There’s a Boudreau guy doing pretty well in Anaheim they should have considered over Hunter. Hunter’s been a Cunneyworth-level disaster for them.

by Roke on Feb 18, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

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