Game Thread: Habs Visit Sabres in a Must Win Game
by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 7:00 PM EST
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PrintMontreal Canadiens at Buffalo Sabres, Feb 17, 2012 7:30 PM EST
The Montreal Canadiens will have another valuable four-point game in there last ditch effort to make the playoffs this season. Despite the Buffalo Sabres record this season, it won't be easy.
Lindy Ruff's squad has beat the Habs in all three meetings this season, in which all three games could have gone in Montreal's favor. Ruff knows how to adapt well in game situations, which he demonstrated well in the Sabres 3-1 win over Montreal on January 31.
But with a Canadiens win tonight and a strong finish through February, the remaining two games against Buffalo could be highly beneficial.
With Jhonas Enroth getting the start, and getting chased, Thursday against the Philadelphia Flyers, Ryan Miller will be between the pipes for the Sabres tonight. Miller has allowed just a single Canadiens goal in each of his starts this season.
Carey Price has been outstanding against Buffalo, despite being unable to record a win this season. He has a 1.97 GAA and a .935 SvPct in all three games against the Sabres.
With Hal Gill traded this afternoon, Erik Cole will now be an alternate captain for the Canadiens.
MONTREAL CANADIENS PROJECTED LINEUP
Forwards
Max Pacioretty - David Desharnais - Erik Cole
Mathieu Darche - Tomas Plekanec - Rene Bourque
Andrei Kostitsyn - Lars Eller - Louis Leblanc
Yannick Weber / double shift- Scott Gomez - Ryan White
Defensemen
Goalies
Carey Price - Peter Budaj
BUFFALO SABRES PROJECTED LINEUP
Forwards
Nathan Gerbe - Tyler Ennis - Thomas Vanek
Ville Leino - Derek Roy - Jason Pominville
Drew Stafford - Paul Gaustad - Patrick Kaleta
Matt Ellis - Brad Boyes - Zack Kassian
Defensemen
Mike Weber - Christian Ehrhoff
Goalies
Ryan Miller - Jhonas Enroth
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Sensibly putting AK with 81-71. Look at how well that is working.
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There’s Bourque. Awwww, look. He thinks he’s Kovalev.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever the reason is, its the same reason the Sabres don’t understand the mysteries of the second period.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
I wouldn’t wish last night’s events on anyone.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
They prepare like losers?
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by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 17, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I would pay money to see a Gerbe/Desharnais fight tonight. Maybe Ennis/Gomez on the undercard.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 8:02 PM EST reply actions
I think it took two minutes of puck movement to get a scoring chance… but I’ll take it. :D
Hey, Kaberle scores. Didn’t he get an article about how he wasn’t producing somewhere this morning?
Do my fantasy team a favour and write about how Weber can’t produce.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I mean in the press. I think it was La Presse, specifically.
They were complaining about only having 15 points in 29 games as a Hab. That’s over a 40-point pace for a defenseman.
I’ve noticed they tend to have really bad math skills.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think they have a bad conception of how much talent there is in the league. 40 points would’ve put Kaberle in the top-25 in D scoring last season.
Markov, Streit, Wisneiwski and Souray may have spoiled there perceptions there.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Any satisfaction out of seeing Kaberle scoring was drained by the realization he did it on an inferior execution of one of Markov’s mainstays.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
He still skating every day, or did he suffer a setback?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Up to 60 minutes a day is what I heard yesterday.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I was getting impatient, but with today’s trade, do you think it signals that Gauthier may pull the plug and shut Markov down?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know. If I was running things I’d sell Campoli and Kaberle and run with St. Denis and Weber until Markov gets healthy then play 79.
Markov really needs to start playing some games so they can see what they have in him.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Gomez will get blamed for that, I’m sure, but we also saw Gorges whiff on a defensive decision and White fall after saving the day initially.
Kind of a general blundering about really. Too bad Blunden was there so we could talk about Blunden’s blunders.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Any chance Emelin starts getting reg/more PP time??
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Feb 17, 2012 8:17 PM EST reply actions
I expect Campoli is gone after the deadline. Might start seeing him then. Definately going to get some PK time with Gill out though.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
I watched the Flames game the other night and it was weird.
Cammalleri at centre, feeds Blake Comeau at the faceoff dot, who promptly drops to one knee and slaps a one-timer home.
YouTube that shit, it’s eerie.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
GOMEZ!
Also, another thing I love about that PP is shot PK took from the faceoff circle on a pass from Kaberle. That would have been in if he could aim. Why don’t we see that more?
Because Cunneyworth did away with the reversed point men setup. Usually Kaberle and Subban are on the other sides, and that is by design. They occasionally go back to the (much more effective) Martin setup as motion takes them though.
Which side?
I find he’s more comfortable on the left, but I like my left-handed shooters on the right on the PP.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he does seem to prefer it.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Under Cunneyworth only, or all season?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Just catching up
Funny, when Gill got traded I said to a co-worker, ’I was hoping Gill would get one more goal, to pull ahead of Gomez again." Look what happens.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 8:30 PM EST reply actions
Well here’s the first PK sans Gill
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 8:38 PM EST reply actions
Looks a bit handcuffed. You can tell we miss him, but overall it shouldn’t hurt too much. We have lots of good PKers.
Plekanec played all but 13 seconds on that first PK.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Miller
He wasn’t going to get to the puck quick enough to play it cleanly, so he stretched his stick and flipped it over. Apparently that’s new to the TSN colour man.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 8:48 PM EST reply actions
OK my Gamecenter feed is a bit distorted. What does that RDS sign say, that the fan has. Looks like it says, “RDS Sucks Ass” on my laptop. lol
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 8:55 PM EST reply actions
Even Max Talbot scored twice last night. Don’t know what’s going on in Buffalo.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Kaberle!? Campoli!!? Gomez!!!?
I’m glad Campoli scored though. With Weber, Emelin, Kaberle and Diaz on the roster, there isn’t any point.
I was one of the few Sens fans to be mad that we got rid of Campoli last year.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I like his offense, and his advanced stats look pretty good. The Kaberle trade confused me in this sense, because it seemed as though he filled the role that we supposed would be filled by Campoli.
Perhaps I’ve been skewed in the games I’ve seen of him, but he seems to have a bit of a propensity for bad defensive zone mishaps. Again, probably just my perception based on the games I’ve seen of him.
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
You’d find many in Ottawa who agree with you. I always chalked up their apprehension to the fact that we paid a first rounder to get him.
I, on the other hand, realized that that 1st rounder was to pay for Hillary Duff, and Campoli was just a toss in ;-)
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Nice ;)
Its become an awfully tough gig to be an NHL defenseman, even for the 5th or 6th guys. You only play 10-12 minutes a night, but you’re basically expected to make no puck blunders or giveaways.
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think we would have a much higher opinion of Campoli if he hadn’t gotten injured at that point in the year. He was having obvious difficulty getting back up to speed with almost no games an no training camp coming off an injury. That kind of deficit can be ruinous to the more marginal players on your lineup. Probably is a decent 5-6 under normal circumstances.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yet they did squat when Lucic put him out for nine games.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
The Sabres problem lately is that Lindy Ruff can’t scream at them with his ribs all busted up.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
I support referring to Lindy only as Old Man Ruff from this point on:)
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
What is the Habs record for longest serving GM/Coach tandem?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
GM must be Sam Pollock…but which coach I’m not sure. Bowman?
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Trotz and Poile have also been together awhile, but I’m pretty sure Old Man Ruff leads the league in coaching GPs.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
It looks like it was Frank Selke and Toe Blake from ’55 to ’64.
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think its a pretty narrow gap, but neither tandem looks to be broken up…depending on how Pegula feels after this season.
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Frank Selke/Toe Blake 1955-1964 9 seasons
Selke/Irvin 1946-1955 9 seasons
Pollock/Bowman 1971-1978 7 seasons
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
It fits.
Dollars-to-doughnuts he’ll soon be doing Quaker Oats® commercials and PSAs on the diabetess.
That’s the Sens’ coach’s gig. Hands off.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Old Man Ruff is different. He’s like the angry shut-in at the end of the block that is only heard yelling.
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
He wouldn;t give me back my frisbee.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
The plastic blade from my ball hockey stick is still on his roof.
And roof is pronounced in like woof.
You know long-timers like Pominville and Roy hate it when new guys come to the team and make the mistake of telling a joke during a 3 on 2 drill.
“Ah shit, Old Man Ruff’s gonna be pissed all day now…”
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
What does this guy on RDS mean, when he says the puck was very “raw”?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:16 PM EST reply actions
Sabres trailing after 40
3-22-1
But one of those wins came against the Habs
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 9:17 PM EST reply actions
Scoring Chances
+6/-7 at EV, +3/-0 on Special Teams
At ES:
Eller and Louis are +3/-0
Gomez’s line +2/-2
Desharnais +1/-3
Plekanec +0/-2
Weber +0/-3, Subban +4/-2
Have you ever heard the term, “la rondelle etait tres, tres, crue”?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
“The pucks come in a flood” ?
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
The only time I’ve ever used the word ‘crue’ is to refer to raw diced onions on a hot dog.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
So a low event game like it looked.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
He and Harry Neale are among the best tandems in the league.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
He could be in one of those Geiko ads…“Does switching to Geiko save money on car insurance?…”
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
ah. Missed the first few minutes of the game.
by Hunter Durfee on Feb 17, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
How many times is that now when Price loses or breaks his mask this season?
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
They HAVE to keep Leblanc up the rest of the way.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
The only time anyone has ever been heard uttering the phrase, “That kid’s an idiot if he plans on going to Harvard”: my brother’s apartment on Draft Day.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
For it depends if they give him ice time.
If he plays 6 min at ES for the whole game, he’s probably better playing 20+ in Hamilton.
if he plays 10-12 minutes at ES each game, then I agree
I agree with Kevin, and I doubt they’ll play him much less than 10 a game, simply due to the fact that he’s showing his effectiveness.
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
He’s also a hard working Canadian boy. That might keep him getting minutes.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think we should keep him in the press box when Blunden comes back. I’m betting MB has a little more upside ;)
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
7 and change so far, but it’s not just the ice time. He’s also learning at the NHL level.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Long shift for Gomez
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Emelin isn’t quite the beast Gill was in front of the net, but he’s a great shot blocker, and seems to be adjusting to the roll pretty well.
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Which is huge. Practically every team in the league would love to have a Gorges and an Emelin on their roster.
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
at 4 mil per year, not so sure about gorges.
I mean, he a great #4D but I’m not sure he would be a great fit on every team in the league
I hear you, but he’s a huge minutes eater; you can put him against top competition, he can play on the #1 PK unit, is a great shot blocker, solid passer and can carry the puck. He never developed the offensive upside that was expected at first, and he could become a liability when he hits his (much later) playing days, but he’s worth it for now. Whether we could’ve payed less…well only PG knows how that went down…
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
4 is underrating Gorges a fair bit. Quality 3rd is probably more accurate. Strong 5 on 5 with a major special teams skill.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
He’s more of the “I’m going to clober you” rather than “immovable object” style of defending the slot.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well 2012 was said to be the end of the world, but I don’t think that’s how Nostradamus saw it.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Just came in.
Eller on the first PK unit over Plekanec? Did I see wrong?
Weird seeing a Gill-less PK. But Subban-Gorges should be good enough for a first unit.
Plekanec played 1:47 in first kill and 1:22 on that one
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks. I just started watching and I thought I had seen Plek only on the second half of the kill, found it weird.
by Statsfanatic81 on Feb 17, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think there was a quick change on the second kill. Plekanec still leading the way.
I think Plekanec, Gorges and Subban are top level PK guys so Gill isn’t necessary even if he was nice to have.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
probably
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Pucke redirected perfectly to Ennis, who was completely open.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
They play two more times this season, if it helps
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
If it goes to the shootout, Cunneyworth has to put AK46 in there tonight.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
He always finds great seams, but just can’t seem to bury it consistently…I’d love to see him get on a real tear at some point.
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
For him to go on a tear:
a) he need to play with Plekanec or Eller
b) needs not to be benched if RC question his effort level
No doubt. This up and down the lineup b.s. isn’t doing him any favours.
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Why did you lie to us? Whyyyyy?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Not my fault.
I don’t think anybody could have predicted our first 2 shooters would score. ;)
by Statsfanatic81 on Feb 17, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
The Carolina victory dropped Buffalo into 15th, even if they get two points. Gotta feel bad for Pegula.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 10:05 PM EST reply actions
Darche again on 4 on 4
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 10:06 PM EST reply actions
and yet Habs go 3 for 3 on the PK. Gauthier for GM of the Year!!!
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure what Pacioretty is arguing there. Having your stick stepped on is still a penalty, isn;t it?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 10:10 PM EST reply actions
Montreal has no country music for old men
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Look like he took notes from Cole’s goal on Thomas
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 17, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
DD! That was a nice goal.
We won a Shoot out!!!!
by Statsfanatic81 on Feb 17, 2012 10:17 PM EST reply actions
That was unexpected. Not just the shootout, the entire game was weird.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 10:17 PM EST reply actions
Honest question: should the Habs let Geoffrion wear his usual #5 next year?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 10:24 PM EST reply actions
Plante hates SBN autoformatting
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Gets the job done…and yeah, he’s got a ways to go to compare to his family’s lineage…unfortunately, the media’s going to have a field day with this.
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
How about this. If the Habs traded for Nathan Horton, should he be allowed to wear # 1
;-P
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 10:32 PM EST reply actions
He can wear a dunce cap…and take something really reknown…like #84
by westcoasthabs on Feb 17, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Now all I can picture is Tammy wearing nothing but a dunce cap.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Didn’t get to watch this one, so it figures that this one would be weird in every fashion: Kaberle, Gomez, Campoli with the goals (2 goals between them heading into the game) and the Habs win a shootout.
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All three had one goal heading into tonight.
The fourth guy in the same position was traded away today and wasn’t able to get in on the action.
Campoli had a goal? Man, I don’t remember that one.
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by Bruce Peter on Feb 17, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
How wrong is it that I look at a 5-1-1 streak and then look the standing with regards to playoffs and come to this conclusion:
Gut this teams support/depth players for picks/prospects as soon as possible. They’re just hurting themselves for no reward if they keep it up.
Although 6 points and 3 teams over 23 games isn’t that big a hump, the famous 9th in the conference result looms awfully large.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 17, 2012 11:09 PM EST reply actions
Fuck that shit. Fuck it hard.
Toronto belongs in their usual 9th, and the Habs should be the ones to put ’em in their place ;-)
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 17, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I’m very zen about this. If that’s what happens, it’s what happens.
But we are collecting draft picks. There is no reason not to. Maybe we can trade up as a result and get a higher end type.
The last time this feared result happened was essentially 2007, and that was the Habs’ best draft since at least 1998, but probably since 1984.
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by Bruce Peter on Feb 17, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
The sell the spare parts roster:
Bourque-Plekanec-Kostitsyn
Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
Gomez-Eller-Leblanc
Palushaj-Engqvist-White
(Nokelainen)-Willsie/Geoffrion?
Gorges-Subban
Emelin-Diaz
St. Dennis-Weber
(Markov) Henry/Callahan?
Looking at that, I’m not sure losing the extraneous pieces will make that big a difference in results over 20 games although you’re gambling against injuries (which would sink you anyway so that doesn’t really matter).
Yeah, sell and let the chips fall where they may.
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by Stephan Cooper on Feb 18, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
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