Habs deal Cammalleri to Flames: Let the deconstruction begin.
The Montreal Canadiens were down 2-0, after two periods against the Boston Bruins.
I noted during the second period that Pierre Gauthier was spotted leaving the press box. Seemed of interest, given the comments made by Mike Cammalleri yesterday afternoon. But after Cammalleri had a team meeting and clarified his statments to the media, it was basically water under the bridge. Gauthier thought otherwise.
As the third period progressed, it was noted that Cammalleri was absent from the Canadiens bench, after playing 9:02 through 40 minutes. Slowly word trickled in that this was a team decision, over an injury.
Turns out, the Habs forward was told to take a cab back to the team hotel, and it is now confirmed that he was dealt to the Calgary Flames.
Rene Bourque , a known problem child in Calgary and under contract until 2015 at $3.3 million per year, is headed back the other way, along with prospect Patrick Holland and a 2nd round pick in 2013.
The Flames also get the rights to goaltender Karri Ramo, currently in the KHL and a 5th round pick in 2012.
According to Gauthier, and Flames GM Jay Feaster, the deal had been in the works for over a month. OK.
Cammalleri does not have a no-trade clause in his contract, but does have a block on seven NHL teams.
This is Cammalleri's second trip to Calgary. He scored a career-high 39 goals in his single season with the Flames (2008-09), before signing as an unrestricted free agent with the Canadiens the following summer.
In 170 regular season games with Montreal, he recorded 54 goals and 65 assists. During the 2009 playoffs, he scored 19 goals in 19 games.
Bourque is currently serving a five-game suspension, for a hit to the head on Washington Capitals defenseman Niklas Backstrom, and can return to action on January 17.
More to come, as flashbacks to 1995 have begun.
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Right now I’m just fearing the worst.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
How can you expect the most out of a franchise that fired an assistant coach and then the head coach, then had the owner come out and say he fired Martin because he wanted a spark. Then hiring an anglo, then apologizing for hiring an anglo.
This season has been a disgrace. The last month has been absurd.
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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 9:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Can’t disagree.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
This. This season turned absurd awhile ago. Canning Cammalleri for saying what we all could see is even more ridiculous. Gauthier is the problem, and possibly ownership as well.
by westcoasthabs on Jan 13, 2012 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
Calgary for Cammalleri.
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Cammalleri traded to the Flames. They have nothing I want. What the fucking fuck.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 9:44 PM EST reply actions
A first rounder is about the best we can hope for. But that won’t happen in a panic reactionary move.
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Bourque and Glencross apparently.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Calgary!
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 12, 2012 9:45 PM EST reply actions
For Bourque and Glencross? Not even a future. Fuck this.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 9:50 PM EST reply actions
Is Bourque?
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Does he get a game knocked off for tonight? :)
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His shooting percentage is almost double his career norm though and his shots/game have actually gone down this year compared to last. His scoring rate is almost certainly not sustainable.
His shots/game might be down because he doesn’t his shifts end early with goals!
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I can’t make no sense now. Erase the ‘he doesn’t’ there.
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So far it's Bourque
and nothing else!
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 12, 2012 9:56 PM EST reply actions
Per TSNRadio
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 12, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t see how this possibly works out.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 9:58 PM EST reply actions
Gauthier read your post Andrew, and totally misunderstood it.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 12, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
7th rounder two years ago with 57 points in 40 games for Tri-City. I saw him play once, didn’t make any mental notes but recalled the name.
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
If it’s Bourque. We get problem child for problem child
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 12, 2012 10:00 PM EST reply actions
Cammalleri, Karri Ramo, 5th rounder
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Bourque, Peter Holland, 2nd round pick.
BRUTAL.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Oh wait… Not Peter Holland. So not even a top end prospect. What a fucking joke.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Doubt it right now.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Why is this a surprise? This team is nowhere near making the playoffs, Cammy pissed off the team and we knew trades were coming. This isn’t the last one. Honestly, even without Cammy’s comments (which I admired, he spoke the truth), I figured he would be traded before next week.
The real question is, who’s next?
“We traded Cammalleri because of his style and his size”. Piere Gauthier, according to Arpon Basu.
This guy is a GM of an elite franchise in the top league in the sport.
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and iot’s been in the work for a month!
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 12, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t believe anything Gauthier says anymore.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Within a year this trade will be viewed the exact same as the Ribeiro trade.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:09 PM EST reply actions
I don’t think it will be that bad. Bourque is something of a player.
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think it all depends on who we pick with the 2nd if it’s Subban we’re good, if it’s MAxwell, we’ll never hear the end of it
It’s not even a 2nd in this upcoming draft.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
….Bourque is something of a player.
Another guy that “has to be prodded/motivated to play the game”….not really the type we’re looking for…..
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by Canadian Jet on Jan 12, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
No chance. Cammalleri is 29 years old. Ribeiro still had potential.
We know what Cammalleri is. He is a 25 goal, 55-60 point guy.
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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think Cammalleri is more than that. In a low end season he’s that, on a good line he’s a 35 goal scorer and 75-80 point guy.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Well, depending on role. And how good the powerplay is.
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Just about to say that.
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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Of course. But with our luck is there any doubt that Cammalleri lights it on fire and shoots for 20% the rest of the year?
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Historically he’s been paired with Iggy in an exploitation role. What that does to his scoring is left as an exercise to the reader.
Consider that Cami had his best season by far with 39 goals in a similar role and you can have an idea…
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 12, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
We can hope that they’ve declined with age.
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Idea
How about Diaz for a box of raisins and a warm bottle of gatorade?
The size fans are going to love this one.
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 10:11 PM EST reply actions
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One NHL GM when told of the trade, said he wished he knew Cammalleri was available. Would have made an offer
by Roke on Jan 12, 2012 10:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
THIS! is exactly what I am talking about.
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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah if MacGuire wants to slam him for not driving up the price this time, he can totally do it.
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Does that GM not know anything about what happened in Montreal this past month and a half? If I were a GM of another team I’d have been calling Gauthier every other day wondering what stupid thing he was going to do next.
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Gauthier know that Bourque is from Alberta.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions
Actual media guys are saying he doesn’t. Not that it even matters.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
….its okay….Bourque will be playing hockey…not coacing it….being bilinqual not a requirement…..
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by Canadian Jet on Jan 12, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Should be interesting.
Bourque is still on suspension right now for an elbow to the head of Nicklas Backstrom, and the Habs see the Caps next week. Given comments after that game, expecting Bourque will have to answer for that.
Always bet cock-up before conspiracy.
And this is the “prospect” we’re getting back?
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions
What a joke.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Like I told him, the value of Ramo and the value of Holland were pretty much the same if you can get Ramo over (Feaster drafted him in TB). The 2nd for 5th rounder apparently was the difference between Bourque and Cammy according to the deal. Brutal.
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
This has to be the last straw here before things get seriously messed up. And Gauthier saying he shopped around is total BS. There’s no way in hell this was the best deal he could get for a 2 time 80 point player, playoff performer and near 40 goal scorer.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Lets not inflate too much. 4 year average ~30 goal ~65 points per 82 game player. Which don’t grow on trees either.
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
While I think we got the worse end of the deal, you have to admit we could use decent 4th liners.
by Hunter Durfee on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
We have a ton of prospects who project as decent 4th liners. they’re a dime a dozen.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Totally agree and IMO we could have gotten more for the rights to Ramo. I think that if the Flames move Kipper or start playing him less they could bring him over. His numbers are very good in the KHL and could very well come over to play 30-40 games per year and a possibility to be the goaltender of the future. They already won the deal, if they bring Ramo over its got the potential to be an incredible steal.
It’s Cunneyworth’s dream. Too bad he won;t be around to coach them.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 12, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I’m sure he’ll get another AHL coaching gig to coach these types of players all the time again.
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
“Talked to scouts about Patrick Holland earlier this week. Consensus was career minor leaguer fringe 4th liner. I think could be avg 4th.” sigh
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 12, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
So with a deal in the works for a month. Why pull a player during a game, and make the deal when the guy coming the other way is suspended?
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 12, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions
Because the management got together and tried to figure out a way to appease the media immediately. Done and done.
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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Feaster
“It’s actually been percolating for quite some time”
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
So will Bourque match Cammalleri’s playoff goal totals????
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 12, 2012 10:31 PM EST reply actions
PLAYOFFS?!??
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fail for Nail?
My sincerest apology. What a miserable trade.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 12, 2012 10:33 PM EST reply actions
For that to happen the Habs would need either lottery luck or injuries to Plekanec and Subban with Price not going on a tear.
A miserable trade in a clusterfuck of a season.
But gunning for that 1st pick is the only way this trade makes sense! Yes, you get some cap relief but not that much.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 12, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Very true. I mean, they are SUPPOSED to but doesn’t mean they do.
Given some of the comments I have heard (another GM not knowing Cami was on the block, would have made an offer; Pierre saying comments were unrelated) and it really reminds me of another big, disastrous trade. Both involved the teams best player and both got garbage returns.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
It is a trade after a player publicly criticized his insane coach though. There’s some similarity to the Roy trade but star power/ability isn’t the starting point.
Who would you give that mantle to? He was certainly the one I feared most as a Bruins fan.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 12, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Plekanec.
I would say Subban’s up in the conversation with how he’s been carrying the defense this season (lack of scoring and deceiving +/- not withstanding).
I can see that. Cam is more of a threat to score but Plekanec is the superior player.
Subban… well I’ll hold my tongue.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 12, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I know you people don’t like him much, but he’s a #1 caliber D-man, right now, at the tender age of 22.
Well, I’m doubting that Gauthier even sees that at this point, so I don’t expect opposing fans to.
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
He needs a lot of maturity to claim that title in my opinion.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a lot more mature than anyone gives him credit for.
He has a reputation, and like many reputations, it’s not entirely deserved.
Another topic and I am not looking to be confrontational so I will refrain from discussing further.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 12, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
As for that other GM not knowing he was on the block, Cammalleri did have 8 teams on his ‘trade block’ list so there is about a 1/4 chance that he was never going to that team. But if that GM didn’t know things were going batshit stupid in Montreal and a bargain could be had, he’s a bigger moron than Gauthier.
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
When Bruins fans come in saying they feel sorry for us. Wow. They can’t even gloat, that’s how bad this is.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Poor Michael Grange. On twitter I jump on him for the territorial rights myth and now Chris is going to be going to be debunking the 80-93 Habs are mediocre and lucky thing.
That is a monster pet peeve of mine. Total revisionist history.
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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 10:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well with Gionta out we’ll get to see how having 4 big guys on the wings works out for us.
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 10:54 PM EST reply actions
Except for the possibility of percentages I’m betting on no noticeable improvements at even-strength and little improvement on the powerplay until Markov returns.
Forgot about that. Maybe Randy mis-uses him and I end up correct.
Though Gomez on the wing of the 4th-line probably provides noticeable improvement.
God, Plekanec is going to be next, isn’t he?
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Gionta was smaller than Cammalleri.
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
That would put us in Edmonton territory awfully quick.
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much. But who knows? I’ve been wrong before.
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Just a terrible deal. So reminiscent of the Ronald Corey years. This trade has pretty much pushed me into not caring very much. I’ll start paying attention again when Gauthier gets the ax.
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Well at least this opens cap space. For whatever good that will do.
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 11:22 PM EST reply actions
Patrick Holland speaks French! 9 years of French immersion! lol
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I just find it funny that Rene Bourque from Lac La Biche speaks no French at all, but Patrick Holland from Lethbridge is fluent. Lethbridge is not the most affluent of communities, to say the least.
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I was born there. I didn’t even know they had french-immersion schools in Lethbridge though I guess it’s not all that surprising.
It’s a very weird city, I must say. A big part is upper middle class, and then it’s like meth central. Plus, you know, the whole racist thing with Brocket 99 and such. Either the dream happens for you there or it really, really doesn’t.
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. My grandmother and and uncle still live there. The place really feels like a mostly white smalltown in the times I’ve been back. I remember my grandfather telling stories of how badly some Japanese neighbours were treated when they adopted a child back in the 60s or so (mind you that’s probably not that relevant today). One story in particular was about the couple had adopted and one of the neighbours asked how a Japanese couple could have a white baby and the father replied, without missing a beat “accidents happen”.
The anti-aboriginal racism might be at least more of a Western Canada thing. I’ve heard quite a bit anti-Aboriginal stuff in my time in Winnipeg and if someone is going to make some ethnically insensitive remark the aboriginals are more often than not the butt of the “joke”. I haven’t really been out of the west though so my worldview isn’t all that large.
Definitely is a Western Canadian thing. Winnipeg, Saskatoon, and Regina are very much like that. The aboriginal populations are quite large, I don’t think there is any city in Eastern Canada that has the kind of aboriginal makeup the western ones do. There’s a lot of segregation of the communities in Saskatoon.
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 13, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
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Looking over 4 seasons, Camo’s about +5 shots/60 better in Corsi than Bourque
Camo’s at least one win better than Bourque on Corsi alone. I think the $$$ makes sense.
by Roke on Jan 12, 2012 11:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If we’re looking at next year, figuring that Gomez is going to get the boot, here’s about were they’re at with signed players and RFA’s.
FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
/ Lars Eller ($1.700m) / Louis Leblanc ($1.170m)
/ Andreas Engqvist ($0.900m) / Ryan White ($0.625m)
/ / Aaron Palushaj ($0.883m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($0.400m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / Raphael Diaz ($0.900m)
Alexei Emelin ($2.000m) / Yannick Weber ($0.850m)
Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m)
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($5.750m) / Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
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(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $50,537,499; BONUSES: $300,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $13,762,501
Needing two left wings. At least going after a star isn’t inconcievable this summer.
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 11:45 PM EST reply actions
Crap, missed decible place.
FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
/ Lars Eller ($1.700m) / Louis Leblanc ($1.170m)
/ Andreas Engqvist ($0.900m) / Ryan White ($0.625m)
/ / Aaron Palushaj ($0.883m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($4.000m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / Raphael Diaz ($0.900m)
Alexei Emelin ($2.000m) / Yannick Weber ($0.850m)
Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m)
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($5.750m) / Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $54,137,499; BONUSES: $300,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $9,862,501
Dump Kaberle and interesting things could be done.
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
You’re forgetting Mike Blunden’s upcoming 3 year, $10m extension.
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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I said they need 2 LW didn’t I? He could easily fill one of those spots. ;)
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I figured it out!
Gauthier identified the Habs’ problem as bad luck. He looked over his roster and saw that someone was wearing #13. He immediately realized that was the problem right there and deleted him from the roster forthwith.
He had to be quick so it could be done before Friday the 13th!
by MathMan on Jan 12, 2012 11:57 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
We all knew this was coming. We have been talking about this irrational move since Pearn got canned. I have to believe this is Molson meddling.
Once I saw the “we fired Martin to create a spark” press release, I knew that trouble was on the horizon. You DON’T fire a coach for short term wins. Stupid impetuous teams do things like that.
We all knew, we just didn’t want to admit it.
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If this is being directed by Molson, we could be looking at a decade of sucking.
by MathMan on Jan 13, 2012 1:36 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I’d say we all feared this was coming. Knowing it would is a bit strong.
Now the hope is that we don’t lose someone truly irreplaceable like Pacioretty, Subban, Plekanec, Price etc.
We’ve gone deep into dark comedy territory now.
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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 13, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
If we’re trying to construct a rational lineup with this setup now what do you guys think?
Pacioretty-Plekanec-Cole
Kostitsyn-Eller-Moen
Bourque-Desharnais-Leblanc?
No idea how to work Gomez in, maybe
Pacioretty-Gomez-Cole
Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Moen
Bourque-Eller-Desharnais
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This season has gotten out of hand. Someone take the scissors from a running Gauthier before he hurts someone. This team does not need a complete blow-up…it was some bad luck combined with new blueliners that made this mess, and shedding one of our best wingers isn’t helping any.
Bourque became a headcase in Calgary, if he finds his game here, great. Other than that, all I’m seeing is one of our better players leaving for some cap space and a 2nd rounder. Trevor Timmins better be on line one…
Gauthier has shown his colours with this one. Instead of taking Cammy’s criticisms seriously, he dumped him to appease the media. How he stays employed is up to the Molsons….but this should be a huge wake-up call.
Gauthier running with scissors. Awesome.
I know it is a simplistic assessment, but since 2003 when Gainey returned, this franchise has avoided irrational, emotional decisions. Even the big blow up of 2009, although instant and shocking from our standpoint was likely planned for a long time.
Molson assumed control this summer and we have had a shit show of nonsensical, immediate and emotional decisions since. I am really concerned about MLSE meddling owner type ramifications.
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Habs - Flames trade
The second round draft choice in 2013 is a difference maker in this trade. We’ll know then who really got the upper hand in the trade. As for now, the Flames got a 30+ goal scorer who isn’t much of a team player and the Canadiens got a much needed big forward, solid in both offensive and defensive zones, capable of scoring at least 20 goals a year. Looks like a fair deal to me now, but could become a better deal for the Habs if that second rounder in 2013 become a good NHL player.
Trying to look at a different perspective
I’m trying to look at this from another angle to try to figure out what the organization is thinking. So let me suggest another way to view this trade:
Let’s assume this was a seller move. Gauthier told the media he thought he made his team better in the short term, but he had to tell them that. He can’t tell them “we’ve given up on the season” in January, not to this bunch. Let’s assume that he knew this would make him weaker in the short term. Let’s suppose that the goal wasn’t to get rid of Cammalleri for his comments, the goal was to get a draft pick and clear cap space. Cammy was the second highest-paid Hab, after all, and likely to have more trade value than Gomez, especially an injured Gomez.
It doesn’t make much sense to get older in the process, and it’s not necessarily a good return for the trade, so it doesn’t make the transaction a good one. But let’s see what looking at this from this perspective, what assuming that this was a seller move, tells us about the organization’s goals.
Both Feaster and Gauthier have said they’ve been percolating for a while, maybe as much as a month. It’s not an entirely unreasonable decision, even if the club was tantalizingly close; losing Gomez and Gionta was a major blow, and as we remembered, the club was 40% Fenwick since then and suffering on scoring chances. They were treading water, even inching up, but there’s a case to be made that it couldn’t last.
But see, even if the GMs are off and it was being discussed for three weeks — that would mean the Habs had decided to be sellers before they even fired Jacques Martin. It would’ve happened at about the same time actually. This raises some questions about Cunneyworth’s mandate, especially why the youngster Eller plays 20 minutes a night and the veteran Plekanec 16. It’s also interesting in that it points to the org not being about to try to “save the season”.
I dunno. What are the odds that Gauthier did this move as a seller/positioning/cap space move?
This entire organization has a losing mentality.
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An organization this calculating wouldn’t have apologized for hiring a non-francophone coach.
They would have set up the backlash to cloak their true intentions.
Along your line of thinking though, creating an enemy/scapegoat allows you to deal Cammalleri with less heat than if there was no “loser mentality” quote. If they made this deal two weeks ago the fans would have gone ape shit. With the fans turning on Cammalleri, this made it easier to deal him.
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I think the whole non-francophone coach thing was actual tone-deafness. I’m not seeing a huge amount of calculation in this assumption, except for “we gotta sell and we can’t tell the media that”. I’m not suggesting that they have a strong handle on things, just that maybe they’ve decided to sell, and did so a month ago.
Cammy was already being scapegoated two weeks ago. He was lazy and played scared.
Mathias Brunet suggests Feaster said Cammy’s name only came out in talks Wednesday. Anyone see that anywhere?
I saw a quote from a source with friends (players) inside the dressing room that referenced Cammy as a cancer multiple times. I am now open to believing that this may have been an ongoing discussion.
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by Chris Boyle on Jan 13, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
To clarify, I meant ongoing trade discussion.
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by Chris Boyle on Jan 13, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I think Cammalleri was the first big FA in my lifetime to be linked to the Habs and actually sign with the team. That alone warrants a little celebration/mourning.
In a vacuum, the tade isn’t disastrous and may even help the Habs in the long run, but I’m probably a tad too optimistic given how things have been going since the Pearn mess.
As a Flyers Fan… Eeesh. You’ve got my condolences.
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by BannedStreetBully on Jan 13, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions
Cammalleri had taken more scoring chances than Max Pacioretty at ES and was taking them at a higher rate on the PP than Cole (but had less because of playing time).
It seems there is a fair chance we just traded this player (and a asset with some value in Ramo that could have been bundled with a Moen/Gill for some added return) for what looks like an over-the-hill Andrei Kostitsyn.
Oh joy.
by Olivier on Jan 13, 2012 12:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You guys don't get it
We won that trade.
Bourque for Ramo: We won that part.
2nd round pick for 5th round pick: We won that part.
Holland for Cammalleri: Right now it seems like Calgary wins that part but we need to give a few years to Holland.
Best case scenario, Holland becomes a very good player and we win that trade completely. Worst-case, we win 2 parts out of 3!
PG is a genius!
For some reason, this season as I watched the Habs play, I was surprised at the number of turnovers Cammalleri was directly responsible for and when coming back into his own end, it was usually as a spectator. All the talk about him being a selfish player started to take light.
So many times I watched him take an impossible shot, hoping to score, instead of making a pass to an open linemate. Sure Rene Bourque is older, but is six months really a huge difference? Pretty much the same stats, but the Habs gain some space under the cap and about 5 inches and 30 lbs for a player not afraid to mix it up. At almost half the price.
Karri Ramo was drafted(191st) by Feaster in 2004. His playing days in North America made him pretty close to a 3.40 GAA goalie. Now in the KHL, he’s a superstar that isn’t leaving anytime soon, unless tempted by Feaster for a ridiculous salary(never know). Though the salaries in the KHL are quite competitive vs the NHL.
Patrick Holland was a seventh round pick (193rd) in 2010. Different scouts have different takes on his future. Some say he sucks, some say he has filled out and is really a player who has exceeded his potential. Last season, he scored 62 points in Jr’s with the Tri City Americans in 71 games. He’s 5 points away from that total this season at just over half the games. Once in the AHL, I’m sure he won’t be worse than some of the guys there, like Engkvist, Palushaj and a slew of others who are not much more than sometime replacements for injuries. At 20 yrs old, he is interesting and has just gotten better in Jrs. and he’s actually a top ten scorer in the WHL at this time.
The last thing is the picks. Calgary sends a 2013 2nd rounder for a 2012 5th round choice.
Just seems to me that in the long run, Montreal is a better team today than it was last night at 7PM. Sure there are a few tangibles, but there is some hope. If we can just get Francois Gagnon to talk to Scott Gomez, Brian Gionta and Hall Gill, we could very well have lots of hope!!
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Good Deal
I personally like the deal. Bourque can score and adds size up front. Calgary hasn’t shown any real progress and that 2nd rounder could look real good next year. Holland is a throw in and is putting up some decent numbers with Tri-City. We save cap space and lose a malcontent. Trust me I’m no Gauthier fan but ultimately I think this could work out. Okay, I hope it works out :)
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by Habs Fan in LeafLand on Jan 13, 2012 3:32 PM EST reply actions
Kent Wilson speaketh: http://flamesnation.ca/2012/1/13/cammalleri-trade-implications
Ridding the Flames of Bourque is also a boon both on and off the ice. Bourque arrived in town as a third-line, PK player who couldn’t score much but could be counted on to take relatively difficult assignments and survive. And despite being one of the Flames strongest overall forwards for the period of about two seasons, he eventually devolved into a third-line, PP player who can score but couldn’t be trusted against any quality competition whatsoever.
Make no mistake, Bourque was a liability and his contract was an albatross as a result. His goal and point totals have been decent since he stepped into the elevator shaft, but he has put up some of the worst possession and scoring chance ratios on the team. Whatever points he was accruing, he was costing the team in spades otherwise. In addition, his unfortunate penchant for taking way more penalties than he draws never went away. This year, for instance, only Corey Sarich has a worse penalty differential than Rene on the Flames.
Ouch.
I doubt...
that Molson is directing this, except he’s asking PG (as he should) where his return on investment is. It was PG’s job to persuade Molson to be patient when the team had good fundamentals but was losing. I doubt very much Molson told PG to go out and trade for Kaberle, or to trade Cammalleri, He’s asking PG if the team will make the playoffs. Even Molson, as a good businessman, understands that panic moves rarely work?
If PG wasn’t able to influence Molson he should have resigned or been fired. PG either doesn’t know what he’s doing or, if I’m wrong, is neglecting his fiduciary role by passively carrying out the opwner’s wishes. I doubt the latter — so the former has to be what’s most likely. Either way, it isn’t a good reflection on PG and he should go.
Except the evidence of his whole career shows a patient risk averse management style and now he is making one irrational impetuous move after another.
You don’t have to believe it is Molson, but he is the only variable that has changed over the last 12 months.
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The Goat has got to go
Until this season I’d been generally impressed with the job Gauthier has done. Trading Halak turned out to be the right decision; Wisnewski deal was a steal I thought. Cole was a great signing. However, Gauthier has to go before the free agency market opens up … or the moment the Habs are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, not necessarily from the decisions made this season (there are issues to be made with some of those) but HOW they were executed: the firing of a coach(s) on game day, a player in the MIDDLE of a game. I feel he’s lost a lot of credibility in the eyes of the other GM’s and players in the league and that will harm future deals & free agency signings in the off-season. What player would want to play in the nut house this season has made Mtl look like? I’m worried that Price & Subban will want out of the asylum after this season.

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