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Are Cammalleri's Frustrations Causing a French Media Spin?

Mike Cammalleri has quickly become the latest scapegoat for the Montreal Canadiens. He knows about it, and heard it last night, so you know he's not happy.

The Habs winger showed his frustration after practice today. A report from Francois Gagnon showed a much deeper side when Cammalleri spoke to the French media. "We play like losers," he said, "So it's no wonder why we lose."

Seems peculiar that he did

Cammalleri post game video from Hockey InsideOut

Gagnon's piece.

TSN report (video), with a follow up from Gagnon

Spin by the French media, or a sign that Cammalleri wants out of Dodge?

For the record, this is Arpon Basu's report on Cammalleri. Basu also oversees the French side of NHL.com. This is his report en francais It appears Cammalleri is only making comparisons.

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I don’t know if it’s sensationalism but sensationalism happens in both languages in Montreal.

by Roke on Jan 11, 2012 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

Gagnon making a ruckus about the comments of a player he doesn’t particularly like? I’d not exactly be shocked.

by MathMan on Jan 11, 2012 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

Watching the sports n00z earlier this evening, and subsequent to Gagnon’s bit, I turned to my 14 year-old son and mentioned this one was inevitably gonna be spun into never-neverland. You could hear the seed being ever so efficiently planted by Francois.

by JD__ on Jan 11, 2012 9:58 PM EST reply actions  

Did I write 14?

Make that 15 going on 16.

by JD__ on Jan 11, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

My favourite is that in Gagnon’s actual piece the quote is different than what everyone else reported. I’m sure if he’s called on it he’ll blame translation.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 11, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, anybody can make a mistake. Just ask the guy above you with the 14 or 15 or 16 year old son. Or daughter.

by punkster on Jan 11, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of gender confusion, have you managed to line up that ticket to Switzerland for your oh-so-important operation, yet?

by JD__ on Jan 11, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Just waiting for that spare set of lips you were gonna donate, sport.

by punkster on Jan 11, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Godspeed, old man.

by JD__ on Jan 11, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m overstuffed with lamb koorma, it’s 11 PM and therefore way past my bed time. We old folks need out sleep so I’ll bow to your youthful exuberance. Nighty night young fellow.

by punkster on Jan 11, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Young is relative.

by JD__ on Jan 11, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a pretty harsh letter by some guy named Enrico Ciccone circulating that pretty clearly is based on Gagnon`s reporting rather than the version of the conversation coming from anywhere else. Something about how he called the team losers (which would be insulting) like Gagnon said rather than what he said about playing losing hockey (which would be sadly accurate).

So yeah. His comments were bad but I`m sure this is going to be another proud day for the Montreal media.

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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Enrico Ciconne, the player I always thought was related to Madonna. And we’re talking about Guy Ritchie films in the thread below this…. Hmm…

Apparently he works for TVA now. Ex-Tough guys seem to be getting a prominent voice in the Quebec media.

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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Not just the French media, and I think it’s one of the main causes the myth of the enforcer and the usefulness of fighting hasn’t gone the way of the dodo.

But the media can’t lure multimillionnaire ex-stars to come talk for them. So their ex-players are grinders and goons. And they naturally view the game through that lens, and that’s part of why the discourse is entirely about grit, work ethic, dumping it in, keeping it simple, and the blue-collar approach.

by MathMan on Jan 12, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s one of them. Ciccone needs a post playing career.

The guy made $2.3M over his 7 year career over a decade ago. He needs to pay the bills somehow.

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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, yeah, didn’t mean to infer it was just a Franco thing. Rob Ray is the sidelines reporter for the Sabres, Don Cherry obviously still exists, and Matthew Barnaby remains an ESPN employee. Heck, Tie Domi even got a painful TSN audition.

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by Bruce Peter on Jan 12, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

PJ Stock.

Belak was getting a job before he died.

The list goes on and on and on.

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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Shawn Thornton is grooming himself for it, too

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 12, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t ESPN just fire Barnaby?

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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Since this team fired Martin it has been absolute amateur hour.

Benching veterans. Benching your best defenseman. Hiring a minority coach, then immediately back tracking and then ultimately apologizing.

This has waaaaay too many similarities to the Houle/Tremblay era that I pray every day not to see something ridiculous.

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by Chris Boyle on Jan 11, 2012 10:15 PM EST reply actions  

It’s a bit of a scary time to be a Habs fan.

At least they signed Gorges.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 11, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not even a particular fan of the Gorges move, as it seems illogical to ‘play it safe’ last summer and then sign him ASAP in January. If you want to cover your ass, wait until the season is over and sign based on his medical history at that point. 3 months of health plus a pay bump for that time doesn’t seem the best use of resources, IMO.

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by Bruce Peter on Jan 11, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t necessarily characterize it as ASAP in nature. It’s just another mid-season signing. This whole notion the Habs don’t negotiate in mid-season is, frankly, an urban myth harking back to the season BG wasn’t looking to take back most of his pending UFAs.

Moreover, I believe the logic is centered around the fact his knee has not been an issue this far into the season. Knee injuries are not career-enders.

A further offsetting consideration is what some other team might have offered JG in an offseason auction.

by JD__ on Jan 11, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If it wasn’t a concern, sign him long term in the summer and get his UFA years at a discount. Lord knows the Habs had the cap space back then. If it was a concern in July, then why is it not a concern in January? Seems weird to me.

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by Bruce Peter on Jan 11, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

My read was it was always their intention to sign him long term, but they wanted to see the knee in action. He’s taken enough of a beating – reminds me of Svoboda minus most of the offensive talent – to put pen to paper. Good faith and all that.

Given the salary comparables, difficult to say he would have come at a more reasonable long-term price back in the offseaon than he recentl did.

by JD__ on Jan 11, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The concern would be whether he could come back to play well on the new knee. Turns out he`s better than ever. Horraay for small bright spots.

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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 11, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW

Did I miss a memo? Were we all supposed to post articles today? :)

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by Bruce Peter on Jan 11, 2012 10:44 PM EST reply actions  

Forgot to CC you. LOL

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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 11, 2012 10:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Its mid-season and newsworthy things are happening. Not happy newsworthy things but newsworthy none-the-less.

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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 11, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I really don’t recognize this team right now. In recent weeks, I’ve even gotten angry at Beaulieu and Dietz for their play in games I’ve seen. This season is really driving me mad.

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by Bruce Peter on Jan 11, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That was a month ago for me. Now its on to black comedy.

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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 11, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I checked out after the Martin firing.

Since then I have been like the guy in Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels who loses all his money at the poker game and staggers out of the gym.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLGWuWt8wfY#t=4m30s

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by Chris Boyle on Jan 11, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome.

I’m still blown away by the fact that “I Wanna Be Your Dog” was released in 1969.

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by Bruce Peter on Jan 11, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I think it is because we have been hearing people rip off the stooges for 40 years :)

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by Chris Boyle on Jan 11, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes…first of 3 great Guy Ritchie movies…this probably the best!

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by Canadian Jet on Jan 12, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

This team seems to become a media circus whenever things aren`t going well. I flashing back to 08-09 when Kostitsyn and Hamrlik were supposedly up to their gills in organized crime.

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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 11, 2012 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

This is probably not common knowledge around here, but Chris Chelios’ and Mme. Ronald Corey’s love-child is a regular EOTP contributor.

by JD__ on Jan 11, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’ve seen Roke and MathMan reference our cap hits per game played, saying things like we’ve only had a roster above the cap floor six times this year. Any charts/spreadsheets you guys have public for that?

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by Bruce Peter on Jan 11, 2012 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

http://springingmalik.blogspot.com/ is a nice place to start.

Gauthier actually is the one who said, at his half season conference, that the habs had an over the floor roster for only 4 games.

by Olivier on Jan 11, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to think he’s cheating a little on that. Healthy scratches have to count, even though we haven’t had many of those.

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by Bruce Peter on Jan 11, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Which healthy-scratch do you remember as a substantial salary? I guess we should double check…

by Olivier on Jan 11, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Even Emelin’s $984k probably would have pushed some of those above the salary floor, assuming he wasn’t counting healthy scratches.

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by Bruce Peter on Jan 11, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the cap floor is 48 mil, and the Habs’ payroll is 63. That`s a 15 million difference. Markov has been missing all year so we only need to be short 10 million the rest of the way.

Eller doesn’t start the season. Campoli goes down in game 1. Cammy and Spatch go down in game 2. That’s two games where the Habs’ starting roster was above the floor.

From then on they’re below until Cammy’s return in game 5 on October 20. That would be three. Gomez goes down in that same game.

Gomez doesn’t return until November 12; the Habs are under the floor from the Gomez-Markov-Campoli-White combo until November 5, when AKost gets hurt, putting the Habs another 3.25 million in the hole.

Gomez, Spacek and Gill play the November 12 game against Nashville together, meaning the Habs are short Markov, Campoli, and AKost for that one (a bit above, so four). Gill and Cammy both miss the following game, which is when Spacek goes down.

And that’s basically it. The Markov-Campoli-Spacek-AKost combo keeps the team below water until Gomez goes down again on November 23, keeping them below despite AKost’s return; and by the time Campoli comes back, Gionta’s out. There were the last couple of games where they’re basically missing Gomez and Markov, and now it looks like that’s done.

Yep. Gauthier’s right. Four games: the first two, game 5 against Pittsburgh, and the game against Nashville. And note that in only two of those did they not lose one of Cammy or Gomez along the way.

by MathMan on Jan 12, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

My favourite bit is that the CHIP on defense alone is good for 8th in the league there. Its certainly not just Gomez.

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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 11, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well with PG doing his best “Rainman” imitation it is going to be a somewhat rollercoaster ride for the next few weeks. Personally, no matter how crazy or bad it gets this month I think it all hinges on Jan. 31st at home with Buffalo. If Markov doesn’t skate out with the starting line-up that night I think all bets are off. That will be 3 1/2 months off which is a tad more than the “miss a few games” quote of PG in October or was it September. If he’s not back then I think there is more likely to be a full garage sale as the season will truly be lost. If he is back to skate and play then we may see a more selectective sale. Just my opionon. Again, really hard to judge these things when you’re dealing with people that are playing with alternative reasons: Mmmmm – do I do this deal for the better of the Team……or to save my sorry ass from the firing line….pick one?

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by Canadian Jet on Jan 12, 2012 2:07 AM EST reply actions  

Ouch. http://bit.ly/wobKSY

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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

Not really. Same old tripe without any real analysis.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Jan 12, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Some of that was fair some of that wasn’t. They’ve been about as good or better than any Canadian franchise since the lockout other than Vancouver for example. The Roy era team still doesn’t get the respect it deserves.

The Giroux thing gets done to death and the relative decline of Quebec hockey needs to be part of this story too.

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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100% Stephan.

Yeah, I thought he crafted the sentence around the 80s team very deftly.

The statement is true, but the comparison is unfair.

No one could say with a straight face that Montreal’s ‘86 and ’93 teams were among the best of their eras in the way the Canadiens teams in the ’50s, the mid-’60s or the late-’70s were.

It is like saying Carey Price isn’t good because he isn’t Patrick Roy. I can’t look him in the face and tell him the Canadiens were in the same class as their dynasty teams, but I can tell him that between 1980 and 1993 that the Habs won their division 7 times, averaged 100 points in the no free point era and won two Cups, made another Final and made the Conference Final another two times. They also averaged a 5th place overall in that time frame.

1980 – 107 points
1981 – 103 points
1982 – 109 points
1983 – 98 points
1984 – Conference Final
1985 – Division Title
1986 – Stanley Cup
1987 – Conference Final
1988 – 2nd overall in the NHL
1989 – Stanley Cup Final
1990 – 2nd round
1991 – 2nd Round
1992 – Division Title
1993 – Stanley Cup

Those teams were not dynastic, but they were on par with the Devils, Wings, Pens of the last 20 seasons.

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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s not likely to be a team that’s on the level of the late-70s Habs ever again. Either from Montreal or elsewhere.

Expecting any club to live up to that standard is silly. But some people expect the Habs to.

by MathMan on Jan 12, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve only skimmed through it and read the list at the end, but in my opinion the “decline” really began with the advent of expansion and (most importantly) the entry draft rather than a notable player from Quebec getting drafted first overall by another team. Frank Selke had built the best farm system in hockey and while the Habs still had an advantage in the drafts because of their scouting they couldn’t flex their muscle as easily when you could just go out and sign players.

Possibly completely incorrect narrative to follow

Pollock managed to mitigate the effects of the draft for a fair number of years. The NHL insanely giving him the reigns to create the rules of the expansion draft allowed the Habs to keep the farm well stocked which he would trade for draft picks and the man was just brilliant in his own right. The draft really levelled the playing field but the Habs of the 70s, thanks in large part to Pollock, where still able to live off the spoils of the old system of player recruitment.

As Chris has pointed out, those 80s/early 90s teams were still very, very good but you can’t hold them to the standard of the teams that came previously with the farm system advantage basically exhausted by that point.

Of course, the Oilers and (especially) the Islanders of the 80s poke holes into my narrative.

by Roke on Jan 12, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the only part of your narrative that could have holes poked in it is that teams didn’t understand the real value of the draft in the 1970s.

Torrey understood it like Pollock. He nailed a bunch of high picks and it lead to the dynasty. The Oilers had Gretzky. His play from 1980-1988 would have made any team a contender. They got to keep him from the WHA.

Yours is a fairly accurate assessment IMO.

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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The way the expansion draft was handled back then amuses me, though most of my knowledge comes from a post or two lowetide had on his blog a long time ago. The league basically handed Pollock the keys and let him do what he want. As long as the original 6 got a good deal they didn’t seem to care about the details and Pollock milked that to some advantage.

by Roke on Jan 12, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The 1960’s NHL was probably run more loosely than some people’s fantasy leagues today.

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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the 1960s makes Campbell’s conflict of interest look like best practices.

by Roke on Jan 12, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

While it is true that bashing the Habs has become a national sport around here, I’m not sure that doesn’t tell us more about the media than it does about the team.

Otherwise it’s a neat getting-together of all the criticisms of the Habs Bertrand Raymond is likely to come up with. The problem is that Joyce doesn’t have much choice but to go to his Montreal colleagues to write a piece about the Habs, so he gets the same stories we’ve heard over and over again.

In other words, a nice collection of all the narratives.

by MathMan on Jan 12, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t really have a problem with it within the context it is framed.

They haven’t really lived up to the historical context of the team since the Houle/Tremblay/Roy fiasco. The ridiculousness of the past month hasn’t helped the situation.

There are some errors in there, like the amateur Quebec player access etc. It lasted for 3 seasons and not one of those players had an impact on the 70s dynasty. The simple explanation for the Canadiens territorial advantage in the Original six was geography and competing against only five other teams.

The Leafs had every opportunity to come into Quebec and buy up a team or sign players to a C-Form. They didn’t.

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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

The big underlying one is how Montreal has become just other ordinary franchise albeit one with a great history.

How it would be possible for that not to happen given how their environment changed is rarely a question these pieces are interested in asking or even attempting to answer. These days most of Montreal’s built in advantages (money mainly, a storied name also I guess) are countered by built in disadvantages (nosy and difficult media, high taxes, weather) so unless you’ve got an extraordinary brain trust up there ordinariness is to be expected.

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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not really worth getting upset over.

Here is what he wrote that is true.

• Montreal closed the forum. It was awesome. The living dynasty on display. The Canadiens passed the torch from legend to legend until Pierre Turgeon. He was no legend, had puny balls. They have not been relevant since.
• The Pearn/Martin/Cunneyworth hiring was a joke. This season they are the 6th best team among the Original Six.
• The Canadiens desecrated the old Forum. It is true.
• Canadiens fans are passionate and get angry with management when they don’t win.
• Savard and Demers had stressful jobs.
• Corey was a self promoter who fired them with no replacement and then made an idiotic decision to hire Houle and Tremblay, who then went and made the idiotic decision to trade Roy.
• Not all Quebec born players grew up as Canadiens fans.
• The Canadiens made a stupid decision to draft Fisher instead of Giroux.
• Gauthier is distant with the media.
• The Canadiens don’t have a lot of French players and this pisses of the french media.
• Gauthier shouldn’t have apologized.
• The franchise is caught in between being a team or a cultural entity.

Here is where his facts are off.
• He does the standard thing in which he uses 1980 as the cutoff for Cups because 2 in 31 sounds better than 6 in 36 or 2 in 25.
• He dismisses how good the 1980-1993 teams were by saying it was fluke and Roy.
• They don’t have a face of the franchise. They do and it is Carey Price.
• Little prospect depth. Brendan Gallagher, Beaulieu + guys like Subban and Eller in the NHL.
• The myth of their exclusive rights to players in Quebec.

It offers no positivity and totally downplays the success of both Cup teams as a fluke. At the end of the day though, it is a 5000 word essay saying the Habs are not as dynastic as they once were.

You can’t argue that and it is what the premise of the article is. It could have been written from a more balanced viewpoint, but at the end of the day it is being used to sell magazines and it’s impact is increased if it is one-sided and controversial.

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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, that was more of a commentary of the proliferation of these types of articles rather than the problem with this one specifically.

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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn’t really aimed at you. Just a general continuation of the thread.

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by Chris Boyle on Jan 12, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

HABS BLOGGERS HAVE ROW; GAUTHIER UNDER PRESSURE TO DO SOMETHING.

by Roke on Jan 12, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

POLITE DISAGREEMENT OVER SEMANTICS ERUPTS INTO MAJOR CONTROVERSY AFTER FRENCH TRANSLATION

- Guy Lafleur opines: “Never would have happened in the 70’s”
- Demands coming in that Gautheir should fire Cunneyworth, hire Martin just so he can fire him again and then fire himself.
- Trevor Timmons says there is no French Canadian superstar available in the first 10 picks. Should Montreal trade down?

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by Stephan Cooper on Jan 12, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Heard something unusual today on sports radio: a media analyst (Alain Sanscartier) suggesting that the Gagnon article should be read with a grain of salt (“un peu de recul”) because Gagnon is close to Martin and might have a “small small small small small lack of objectivity”.

I don’t recall any journalist in this field ever suggesting that their colleagues lack objectivity, however small!

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