Habs Bruins preview: Mark Recchi loses respect of Habs fans
With the Montreal Canadiens facing the Boston Bruins Thursday, I was more focused on a pivotal match. The outcome could decide whether the Canadiens finish first in the Northeast Division, earning home-ice advantage, or battling for a middle of the pack position.
The Zdeno Chara Max Pacioretty incident would certainly be on the players minds, but the true focus of the players would be getting a critical win. I was thinking along the same lines, grudgingly willing to move after the NHL dropped the ball on the incident.
That all changed after I came across a few tweets late this afternoon.
It should come as no surprise that Boston radio personalities Felger and Mazz decided to open their yaps yet again. For those of you unfamiliar with them, lucky you. But to refresh your memories, this pair were the ones who jumped on The Montreal Gazette's Pat Hickey, following the 8-6 gong show back in February. Hickey was accused as being a typical Frenchman, following his report on the game. I of course responded to that, and yes I got my radio hosts mixed up, but was still peeved with their remarks.
During today's show, the Boston radio "heros" focused on Pacioretty. You can hear what they said here, and note the intro, "Fact, not opinion."
I think it's Felger who begins, and instantly questions the Canadiens medical staffs assessment of Pacioretty's injury. He goes on to say that it was Pacioretty that made his announcements on his recovery and return. Hmmm I was sure it was the Canadiens organization that did all that. Felger also said that both reports happened two days later. Really? I was sure it was more than two days, before the Canadiens gave us a potential time for Pacioretty's return. Fact, not opinion, eh boys?
The duo straightforwardly accuse the Canadiens and Pacioretty of embellishment. I wasn't aware that these guys had medical degrees or felt that recovery time for all concussions was the same. Perhaps Dr. David Mulder wasted several years in medical school, and should have just gone into radio to make a medical diagnosis.
But it gets worse, and this part was absolutely appalling.
Mark Recchi joined the conversation, and whether he was coaxed into it or not, came out with the same conclusions. "The concussion was really a non factor, maybe he felt it for a day or two. They were trying to get Zdeno (Chara) suspended, and they embellished it a little bit. They were doing what they could to get him suspended."
The Bruins veteran backed the NHL's decision that the incident was simply a hockey play. Recchi is also a one-time NHLPA rep and with retirement looming. We all know the NHLPA's stance on the issue, so I doubt the 43-year-old wants to risk a future cushy job with Donald Fehr down the line.
Recchi also mentions that Pacioretty tweeted that he was at a movie four or five days later. "If you have a concussion, you're not going to be at a movie," he said. I skimmed through the Habs forward's tweets, and didn't see any mention of going to a movie.
To hear a couple radio loudmouths spew off is one thing, but for a professional player to make that kind of accusation is totally innapropriate. Would he have said the same if rolls were reversed? Absolutely not.
Accusing a player of diving is one thing, but to question a team's medical staff is a completely different scenario, and boders on an accusation of medical malpractice. In my opinion, his comments should be reviewed by the NHL. Yeah, who am I kidding?
Recchi goes on to cite that the fans judgment and reaction to the incident was clouded by their passion. "There's no other sports up there, especially a major sport. I loved playing up there, and it's a great city to play in, but their judgment was clearly clouded up there.
"The league made their statement and, that's where it should have ended. Because of the passion, and the history between the Bruins and the Canadiens, they're making a bigger deal out of it."
Mark Recchi certainly lost a lot of respect from Canadiens fans with his comments today. Though not one to support the defacing of public property, my "inner voice" had no problem seeing his name removed from the team monument in Centennial Plaza.
Chara, in the meantime is happy to hear the Pacioretty's condition has improved. CJAD noted that The Bruins captain has tried to contact him, with no success.
We'll probably get reaction from the Canadiens players, on Recchi's remarks tomorrow, as the Canadiens were en route to Boston this afternoon for Thursday's game.
Carey Price and Brian Gionta both had therapy days and missed Wednesday's practice. Alexandre Picard left practice early, after taking a shot off the leg from Benoit Pouliot. His status will be updated tomorrow.
There is also a strong possibility that Tomas Plekanec will be ready for Thursday's game, but coach Jacques Martin said it would be a game-time decision.
The Canadiens are certainly not thinking revenge against Chara, or retaliation towards Recchi, and would be happiest to leave the TD Bannorth Centre with two points.
"If you ask Patch, the biggest thing right now is for us to win," said Habs forward Ryan White. "We've given ourselves an opportunity to catch these guys and tomorrow's a big four-point night."
P.K. Subban is another player that is just focused on the game, and of course the charming Boston fans. "As long as we come out with the two points, that's all I care about. They can boo from here until Timbuktu," the Canadiens rooke said. "It's going to be fun. It's always fun. These are the games that you want to play."
This will be the last regular season meeting between the Habs and Bruins. If the standings stay the way they are, there is a strong chance the two clubs will meet in the first round of the playoffs.
Oh and before Bruins fans go on a rampage, chillax. The photo is of Bobby Orr and teammate Carl Vadnais and wrestling legend Andre The Giant. Andre and Vadnais, who began his career with the Habs, were friends when the latter played in Los Angeles. A great story on the encounter can be read at Greatest Hockey Legends.
Read what those loving Bruins fans are saying at Stanley Cup of Chowder
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“I skimmed through the Habs forward’s tweets, and didn’t see any mention of going to a movie”
You sure didn’t look hard enough.
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Just saw HallPass.. very funny!
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by Chelsie Marie Pritz on Mar 23, 2011 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
As I said, I skimmed through it. But thanks for finding it.
It doesn’t say if it was in a theatre, but being a new release we can presume it was.
Nonetheless concussion symptoms are different from case to case. It was pointed out yesterday that symptoms can return days/weeks after the initial head injury. Pcioretty’s return is merely a projected return, not a definite one.
Unfortunately “Dr.” Recchi feels they are all the same.
Having had one myself, I can go by own experience where after a 48 hour period, I was OK do go about my usual activities, but avoid playing any physical contact sports (football, hockey).
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Mar 24, 2011 7:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Watching a movie…really fucking harmful….yeah, right!
This shouldn’t even be a controversy, apart from from Recchi having the stupidity to say such a dumbass thing. Beantown muct be rubbing off on him.
How long does it take to properly diagnose a concussion?
Does anyone really know?
Aren’t they all different?
Chara’s hearing by phone was maybe 15 hours after the game.
Was a full diagnosis done by that time? Doubtful.
This theory of Recchi’s is total bullshit. The facts/timeline don’t even jive and I’ll tell you why.
Look back on the timeline of Canadiens news releases. Immediately after the game, they let it be known that Pacioretty was conscious, and alert. Some witnesses even said he was upright for a bit. They mentioned the neck area had been secured that night. The next morning the team told of concussion symptons and non-displaced fractured fourth vertebrae.
Now soon as I heard the last part, I had a major “Doh!” moment, thinking that bit of news would adversely affect Chara’s potential suspension. He’d get off now, cause Max isn’t worse off. Good news, but news coming too soon, I thought. My initial reaction to the team publishing the news was that they’d fucked themselves by not keeping quiet.
So all we’ve learned from this is that Recchi still has an issue with the Montreal press after all these years.
I forget the story, but he had gotten into a big fuss with one of the french reporters over a repeated stupid question after a frustrating loss. Recchi really gave it to him, and it was a young reporter at the time, not too fluent in english.
Maybe the guy is an ass!
Like Kev’s title states, lots of Habs fans and hockey fans have just lost respect for Recchi. I’ve always loved the guy, and hated when he was traded. Maybe now we understand that deal better.
The long and short of it, Mark Recchi just missed a great chance to shut the fuck up!
Figuring we’ve seen what a severe concussion is with Savard, he wasn’t anywhere by a dark room 5 some odd days after he was hit by Cooke.
Hell, I think I’d probably stay put for a little bit longer if part of my neck was broken.
But that is me. It seems this was a combination of many factors. It was Bruins/Canadiens, it was Chara and Pacc, and it is a close division race.
Yes, it does seem from down here that the initial claims seem over blown now. I’m glad he’s fine, truly am. But from severe concussion and broken vertebrae to may be back for the first round?
Where have you heard “back for the first round”? I’ve heard POSSIBLY back in the playoffs. But all prognosis at this point is pure speculation as the extent of concussions are usually more pronounced when you begin to workout. Take Perron and Crosby for example, both of their concussions initially seemed minor, and then both had massive symptoms when they worked out, and they’re both still gone.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
just replying to the return on injury….it has been speculated in a few media outlets that he could return for the start of playoffs (I think it was TSN that had it first but for the life of me cant find it). I would be amazed if he made it back that early. As stated earlier by someone else, Erik Cole had a similar injury and a similar time in the season and he didnt return until halfway through the cup finals.
I think that Cole had two fractured vertebrae so I could see Pacioretty back a bit sooner, but again, all speculation is just that. No one knows until Max works out what his timetable looks like. And even then there’s danger of rushing him back. Many people here seem to be pretending Savard has been out the entire time since the Cooke hit, but that’s not so. In fact he came back rather quickly, only to be punished for it with aggravated symptoms and later a more severe concussion. I don’t think anyone accused him or the bruins of lying about the severity of his concussion.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just giving some info man not looking to start a back and forth on who lied about what and so on. Your last line was totally uncalled for as I am an expert at reading undertones of sarcasm because I invented it! I even said I would be amazed if he made it back that soon and it wouldnt piss me off at all as I would be happy he recovered.
Are you an expert?
No sarcasm there. Just commentary in the form of comparison.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Now soon as I heard the last part, I had a major "Doh!" moment, thinking that bit of news would adversely affect Chara’s potential suspension. He’d get off now, cause Max isn’t worse off. Good news, but news coming too soon, I thought. My initial reaction to the team publishing the news was that they’d fucked themselves by not keeping quiet.
I had the same feeling myself. However seeing the concern fans everywhere had on the imapct of the injury on Pacioretty, the Canadiens felt that they should let everyone know immediately, that Pacioretty will be o.k. At the time many were worried if he was alive, if he was paralyzed. Many felt that he would never play hockey again. Given these circumstances, the Canadiens did the right thing by continuing to update the fans on his situation and waited for the right time to make a public statement on how they felt about no suspension.
I wonder how Boston would react if it was Tyler Seguin who was injured in a similar fashion. ….
Yes, I learned my lesson on that one.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Mar 24, 2011 9:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is this the point where a Canadiens fan searches through the archives to find a Bruins player who came back early from an injury and calls them hypocrites?
It is getting tiresome watching two opposite biases coming up with narratives that fit what they want to be true.
Recchi is being ignorant, an intelligent individual wouldn’t comment so recklessly on a subject that he has very limited information on. The scenario he presents is absurd.
Does he believe that the Canadiens thought “here is the perfect opportunity for us to get Chara suspended. We have an unconscious player, he has a broken vertebrae, let’s take this opportunity to leak a fake diagnosis in order to get Chara suspended for the season.” Ridiculous and proof that children shouldn’t worship individuals because they are hard working and physically gifted.
Maybe not that
but think Montreal over reacted. It was not a severe concussion.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s relative, and fortunately unimportant in the grander scheme of things. There was no overeaction to the incident itself and definitely a proportionate reaction to the lack of suspemsion.
I watch Chara every night. He is not dirty. I think he did try to make a big hit, but not hurt him.
What reason do the Canadiens have to want Chara out of the lineup? Quite a few. I would not put it past them to over exagerate just a little bit.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
So he tryed to give Pacioretty a "severe" concussion and break his neck?
I think he wanted a big hit to give Boston momentum.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t know this.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you a neurologist? No. You’re an outside observer. You have literally zero information or expertise to go on.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Niether do you
look, judging as we are, Savard may never play again and Bergeron might never be the player he could have been. That is servere. Not coming back in a few months.
I hate the injuries more than anyone, ask any Bruins fan here, I bitch and moan all the time about it. But the reality is, you over reacted because the Montreal Canadiens did.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess what, Marissa, Savard was back in a few months. All of Boston thought he was fine when he scored that OT goal in the playoffs.
I’m not making a claim, you are. I’m suspending judgment to be made by medical professionals, you’re the one questioning them. To act like our points have a false equivalency is severely asinine and childish.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
We were happy, but then Game 2 came along and it was obvious something was wrong.
Seems to be that was a case of him saying he was fine and Julien listening to him.
And in order to come back, doctors had to clear him. As I said, these injuries are extremely hard to diagnose and judge severity. For an NHL player or a blogger or anyone outside of the medical profession to question the validity of the diagnosis of a team of medical professionals is so out of whack anyone defending Recchi’s comments right now needs to step back and look at how unbelievably reprehensible it is.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why write an article?
Is it not fans and media job to speculate and create stories?
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh wait, so now it’s EOTP’s fault that Recchi is an idiot? Please grow up.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said that
but you keep saying who cares. Robert too.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No, we keep saying who cares about Pacioretty seeing a movie, not who care’s about Recchi’s comments, which is what the article is about. You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Recchi? I doubt it, because the Habs usually don’t go out and try to injure people. Although he’ll probably get some good licks.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If he is
that is stupid. What does Chara get out of hurting the guy?
Cooke intents to injure, thats about it.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends what you call attempt to injure, but the Bruins certainly have an attitude of physical retribution that the Habs do not. How else can you explain Lucic trying to goon it up with Pouliot of all people. And Krejci started that fight.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So….the two of them didn’t have severe concussions?
Both were diagnosed as such, and for weeks through their own words it was stated that they couldn’t stand to even see bright lights.
Crosby has been out for months.
That is three examples. You’re right, I’m not a doctor, but I’ve seen to people on my team go down with concussions and arguably the best hockey player on earth be out for months.
Pacc is at a movie theater soon after such an event?
I’d also like to know what doctor would let a guy play so soon after a cracked vertebrae in their neck. No medical background there, but that just seems odd to me.
And as I said up top, Crosby was said to be fine early on, then he resumed working out and he’s still out. Perron was the same thing. Acting like this is a cut and dry issue is extremely ridiculous.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
let’s use common sense.
And Andrew, I am not being bias or ani-Montreal. I wanted Paille suspended, and I think Chara was in the wrong a bit.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t recall many or any who didn’t think Paille had to sit down a few, that doens’t earn you points.
I could care less if you’re being biased or not, I agree, let’s use common sense: ie. you have no clue about what you’re pretending to be an expert on, and I’m deferring to the consensus among the medical team that handled Pacioretty’s injuries. One of us has a leg to stand on, and the other is being ridiculous.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No one ever said I am an expert
including myself. Hard to be an expert at 14.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
“I know a lot about concussions” – you
Really now? You know a lot? You’re basically claiming that you know more about concussions than David Mulder and the staff at the Montreal General Hospital. Take a step back and look at the idiocy of what you’re writing.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
No I am not
but I do like reading about the brain and feel I know enough to have a conversation. That guy is a doctor, I am not, therefore he is an expert and I am not.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
By saying that you’ve “seen severe concussions” and that Pacioretty’s isn’t one, you’re attempting to make a diagnosis of someone you’ve never met. It’s stupid.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I do
Servere concussion is Savard, who might never play again.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It does suck
thanks NHL for ruining another career.
One way or the other, this is a huge problem in the league.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you don’t Marisa. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve had concussions, does that make me a medical professional capable of questioning the diagnosis of neurologists? No. You’re trying to judge one person’s injury based on another person’s injury. It’s a pretty damn unfeasible situation. It makes you look extremely foolish as well.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I have also had a concussion
and it sucked, I couldn;t do anything for about a month. Was it servere? No. Was it still scary? Yes. That is what this is. He will play again.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Friend of mine missed about three months of school after taking a line drive when he was pitching in a ball game. That wasn’t pretty either.
I was trying out for softball
and fell sliding into home plate and got whiplash. It was the day before Halloween, and I stupidly went trick or treating. That set me back petty good.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Savard played again, I guess his concussion wasn’t severe then. He’s obviously milking it for sympathy. Fucking ridiculous. Read what you’re writing.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
But he played. That’s what you’ve said about 5 times now. “Pacioretty will play again so it wasn’t severe”.
By that logic Bergeron and Savard were both faking it, only minor concussions.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Play again recent to the injury
And now you sound like Colin Campbell ;)
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop moving the goal posts. You’re using hindsight to judge Savard’s initial injury.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh come on
I’m just trying to have a conversation, loosen up a little.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So I shouldn’t call you out when you’re full of crap? If you want to have a loose conversation, talk about something that isn’t serious. However if you’re going to continually deny saying what you’ve already said, I’m going to call you on it. I let you set the parameters for the conversation, when I applied the same logic you did, you changed the parameters. Now you’re complaining that I called you on it? Again, time to grow up.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a comment by a player
how is it serious? Anytime someone gets hurt it is, but this conversation isnt.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Calling into question the integrity of a medical professional is a serious accusation. In fact if you were to mention a doctor by name and do it you may find yourself in deep shit.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Andrew, it’s the outside reaction. I’m sure Pitt would have been a little peeved if we wanted Cooke tarred and feathered and a couple days later Savard is at a Britney Spears (as he says he likes her) concert. That’s what is irking people.
wait
someone actually likes Brittney Spears?
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I have commented for one year
and my favorite player is Boychuk, not Savard.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Comparing a movie to a concert is a massive stretch, but even so, the lack of education on concussions among the general public isn’t an excuse to accuse doctors who aren’t even affiliated with the Canadiens of lying, which is what Recchi did, what Marisa is doing, and what many are doing. It’s ridiculous.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thought to be a severe concussion at first, and treated that way due to him having been unconscious. Erring on the side of caution is the way to go.
The point is, Recchi is totally off base, as Pacioretty condistion was updated prior to Chara’s hearing. Everyone on the fucking planet were aware of exactly what it was at the time, except Recchi it seems. Only the prognosis for recovery has changed since. And at that, it’s a big wait and see.
Recchi does not say things unless he has a reason. He obviously thinks this is true.
I have seen servere concussions. Those are the career ending one’s like Savard. Pacioretty is fine.
This is not a debate of suspensions, we’ve had that. This is of the guy’s health, which seems ok.
Look at my history, I am toally against head shots, even in the Bruins organization. I wouldn’t come over here and say this for nothing.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re making the assumption he’s recovered, which shows you have absolutely no clue about concussions. Most concussions become most severe or manifest their symptoms most strongly when you are physically active. Pacioretty hasn’t worked out yet, we’ll see how his symptoms are when he does.
Aside from that, everyone recovers differently from concussions, especially if it’s their first one. They happen to be very tricky to diagnose, and it’s much more advisable to err on the side of caution.
Not to come off as a jerk, but unless you’re a neurologist, you should probably shut your yap.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I know a lot about concussions
fact is, they said he can come back. They never said this about Savard or Bergeron during theirs.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, yeah they did. Savard DID come back, TWICE. For fuck sakes Marisa, read what the fuck you’re saying before spouting off. And Bergeron IS back.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
As an obnoxious troll? Yeah, you do
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Mar 24, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
When that’s a crime, come arrest me. They’re just words, if they hurt your eyes you’re free to move on.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I was under the impression that we were all focused on the game tonight and not all this other crap going on. Who cares what Recchi said…its his opinion and he is entitled to it like we are allowed to say our own.
When someone wants to talk about the actual game tonight give me a call at…….
1-888-can we please stop talking about this Chara/Pacioretty shit??? Its over lets move on and enjoy the spirited game we will get to see tonight.
Very true, but after Recchi’s statement, what did you expect?
I has been addressed here, elsewhere. Now it it should be done with.
To be honest….afterall Recchi is an ex-Canadien and knows full well what goes in Montreal with the passionate fan base and ready to lynch media. I think we can all agree on those two points….1) Passionate fans and 2) Over reactive media?
If this comment was coming from a younger player then it would be brushed aside as trying to turn up the rivalry and everyones favorite “trash-talk” but when its a player with as much experience as Recchi I think he has earned the right to speak his mind. If you take a close read at his statements he never says that he does not think that the injury occured (concussion and fractured vertabrae) he just doubts the severity of the initial diagnosis of the concussion. I would bet if you took a poll of NHL players or atheletes that have suffered concussions that it would be hard to belive a person suffering from a Grade III concussion would be up and out in the public within a few days. Again I am not saying its not possible but after all of the harsh words thrown at Chara and the situation do you really think that the Canadiens and their players are the only ones with a right to speak out on this incident?
Luckily for humanity, the opinion of NHL players and athletes on questions of neurology is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did I say that their opinions counted for more than just an opinion?? A poll would be an opinion would it not? I guess in the world of ‘Sir Andrew Bershire’ only he knows best….take a breather bud.
No, I don’t know best, which is why I defer to doctors in this situation. And since their opinions are irrelevant in this situation, why even mention it? That’s my question.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ve been very civil and reasonable in all our previous encounters, please read what I actually said instead of strawmanning it. In this situation opinions are not relevant. Just like opinions aren’t relevant on something like (for example only) the holocaust. Opinions are great for commentary, not denial.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No what I mean is that if opinions are completely irrelevant then what Recchi says has no bearing thus meaning there was no reason to write about it. You cant say in one statement that NHL players opinions are completely irrelevant (when dealing with neuro issues) and then write an article on what he said. Its either relevant enough to write about, or its completely irrelevant it cant be both (I know you specifically did not write this article but you have to be able to see the irony in that).
Sorry, I don’t follow you’re logic. Recchi’s comments were an accusation of lying towards the medical staff who handled Pacioretty. That’s relevant to call him out on. What isn’t relevant is what NHL players consider a concussion,
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is not that Recchi doubts the severity of the original diagnosis, as I am sure many of us in the Canadiens’ fanbase do too, but rather that he accuses the Canadiens’ medical staff of embellishing the injury for the purposes of getting Chara suspended.
The thing about concussions is that it is incredibly hard to predict how a player will recover from it. After the incident it would not be surprising that Pacioretty exhibited all the symptoms of a severe concussion, only to recover very well. However, if we take a look Crosby’s concussion, for example, it was stated after the Hedman hit that it was a minor concussion and that he would be out for not much more than a week. Just goes to show how unpredictable concussions can be, and how little we know about them.
What other reason would there be to embellish the injury? I mean the uproar around this hit has been second to none. I am just asking by the way because I cant think of any other reason to embellish the diagnosis then to get a suspension or a police investigation (that is meant as a joke as we all know most of us agree that was uncalled for)?
I totally agree with you on the concussion topic of everyone being different and healing at a different rate, but I think anyone would be hard pressed to find someone that just had a cracked vertabrae and a grade III concussion out and about at the movies a few days later. Not saying its not possible, but it would be highly unlikely. Especially with that someone being a famous hockey player in Montreal, it would be tough for him to get around un-noticed making bearing with the broken neck and severe concussion to go see a movie seem a little far fetched with the initial diagnosis. But you are totally right in that they are unpredictable, as you just never know.
First - I'm don't know a lot about concussions
but I think the difference between the actual concussion and post concussion syndrome is being confused. He was unconcious for a few minutes, which classified it as a Grade III, severe concussion. The Habs were not exaggerating this. But it seems he is not feeling any severe post concussion symptoms, which is lucky, but the symptoms can appear weeks or months after the initial injury. That he seems to have recovered quickly from that (we’ll see when he’s able to begin training), does not diminish the extent of his original injury.
WILDCARD BITCHES!
by justforkicks on Mar 24, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Point
That’s something which I had not considered, there most certainly is a distinction between a concussion and post-concussion syndrome.
My point was exactly that due to the unpredictability of concussions the Canadiens’ medical staff did not embellish the injury, but rather assessed the injury as more serious than it was. However, Recchi is suggesting that these doctors are lying about their diagnosis, when the truth is in all likelihood that Pacioretty is healing at a rate faster than anyone could have expected.
We can’t get it here in Montreal, blocked on the internet. Could you give us a gist of what’s being said?
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Felger and Mazz say Habs flop
he disagrees. He says Chara should have been suspended, but I didnt hear the reasons cause I got busy,
Both teams should focus on the game, Montreal peole calling police was silyl.
by Marisa Ingemi on Mar 24, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Blocked?
Well, it should be a pod cast soon enough if you want to hear their own words.
But it was mostly about Pacc. Went back and forth making points and taking arguments. The part I found most interesting was when Mazz brought up a discussion he had with a friend who is a spinal cord doctor. He had stated that at minimum he’d keep such an injury in a cast for three months. Hickey stated that it really is different with sports medicine (he seemed very confident that Pacc would be back).
Also, Mazz stated that Pacc may be the victim of those who came before him. Ribiero’s spasam on the ice. Lapierre last year in the playoffs, and Suppan even last week. The reputation of flopping, etc.
Also laid into Hickey a little bit over the article stating fighting has no place in the game after the Habs lost 8-6 but then said nothing in his articles like that after White took out Boychuk in the rematch two weeks ago.
Give it a listen if you get the chance.
If I can find it I’ll definitely give a listen. Hickey isn’t my favourite, so we’ll see if I agree with him or not.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
As for diving, this “the Habs dive” crap has to stop. It’s based on two players who were traded away, one eons ago. For Bruins fans to say the Habs are divers while they have Marchand and Krejci in the lineup is a little bit hypocritical.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
No, find where I said that.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I will be the first to admit that Marchand has been known to land the odd perfect 10 on the frozen pond but you are the first person I have heard say that about Krejci. But on that note you cant say Subban doesnt exaggerate his falls somewhat (Lecavalier incident)…every team has them we just all like to complain about the guys on the other team.
Subban has started to dive recently because he’s been mauled physically all year and never gets a call.
Krejci definitely dives. He’s basically a similar player to Plekanec, small, skilled and dirty.
Dives that I’ve noticed tonight; Horton looked like he got hit by a bus when Plekanec high sticked him after Horton two handed him. Lucic dived when Cammalleri of all people hit him.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So 8 stitches over your eye wouldnt make you flinch after taking a stick to the face? As for the Lucic thing it wasnt a dive at all…..Cammalleri caught him off edge and knocked him over….no dive, but certainly no penalty needed so I am unsure if we are talking about the same incident cause I really only remember one Lucic Cammalleri battle.
As a hockey fan you cant really believe that about Subban can you? I mean honestly how many NHL players, coaches, and media personnel have called him out. I could understand if its one or two teams but when numerous players call him out specifically in the media I will have to assume that its something hes doing and not the rest of the league.
About Lucic, I don’t care if he’s on one skate, Cammalleri isn’t knocking him down. He dove, and it was pretty blatant. First period in the Boston zone. Neither had the puck and Lucic was trying to draw an interference call.
About Subban, unlike most media and coaches on other teams, I actually watch all Habs games. And similar to when media types were calling Crosby a diver after Hatcher crosschecked him in the face and snapped 3 teeth in half, Subban’s been getting keyed on all season because he takes dumb penalties at times. He gets high sticked and hit from behind every couple shifts, it’s ridiculous the abuse he takes and rarely ever does he get a call.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Cammalleri is a man and is actually quite strong dont let his height fool ya. He can hang with the best of them body for body but just not in dropping the gloves. He is no small bodied prissy he plays hard and in the corners. He can knock down who ever wants if he catches them right.
by beachguy113 on Mar 24, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Normally I’d agree, but Cammalleri has had shoulder and knee problems all season. He’s not strong out there at all. We’ve only seen his one knee down one-timer a handful of times this year because of it. It’s sad really.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot about Seguin pretending he got high sticked when a glove grazed his chin.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I will give you that one. I had a good laugh at that one…along with the Gomez call that was a shit call.
That being said you cant honestly be comparing Subban and Crosby? Crosby was whining and diving all over the place his first few years and even some of his teamates let him know this. I have a hard time talking with you because you have no way of ever condemming your saintly Habs. I mean every other fan in hockey and even some Habs fans that I am friends with agree that PK is getting what he deserves. I enjoy a spirited conversation but you need to admit the faults of your own team and its players.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about, I called Plekanec dirty and said Subban dives.
As for questionable calls, how about the one on Chris Kelly when Darche fell? Tripping? My ass ref.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the Habs are saints, but comparatively to other teams in the league they’re vilified beyond what they do, and penalized more closely than any team in the NHL. They’re not a dirty team by any stretch of the imagination, but carry a penalty card that would say they are. By comparison, a team that lives on clutch and grab hockey in NJ is the least penalized team since the lockout.
Montreal also draws fewer penalties than almost every team in the entire NHL despite outchancing and outshooting other teams at ES the whole season. That’s why you have reactionary Habs fans saying our team isn’t dirty, because we get screwed 75% of the time.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I can agree to that….you definately still have a scent from the Lapierre, Ribeiro days and no matter how long those players are gone it doesnt seem to leave. I mean I still hate the Penguins because of what Ulf did to Neely.
by beachguy113 on Mar 24, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
To end the career of a player like Neely, that hate SHOULD be everlasting.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 24, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It does get tougher because apparently hes actually a great guy off the ice and does a lot of good but the name still makes my skin crawl a little
by beachguy113 on Mar 25, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently Matt Cooke is a great guy and does lots of charity work off the ice as well. Somehow I find a way to not care and still hate him hahaha.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 25, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions

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