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Habs approval poll: The first year of the Gauthier Era


One year ago today, Montreal Canadiens fans were caught a bit off guard when GM Bob Gainey resigned. Many felt that Gainey would call it quits come season's end, but nobody thought it would happen before the trade deadline.

The reigns were passed on to his immediate lieutenant, Pierre Gauthier. "I leave the team I love the most, to the man I trust the most," Gainey said at the time. "In my heart, I am always a Canadien. It's been a privilege to participate with the organization again, in a different roll. I'm very thankful."

Gauthier now has a full 365 days under his belt, albeit with Gainey still lurking in the shadows in an advisory role.

Star-divide

The Canadiens went on a 11-7-4, with Gauthier in the GM seat, to close out the 2009-10 regular season. Along the way he picked up Dominic Moore in a trade just three days into his tenure, that parlayed into a big acquistion into the playoffs.

We're all aware of what the Canadiens did in last season's playoffs, and the subsequent trade of hero Jaroslav Halak shortly after. The Halak deal has thus far been advantage Habs, given the performance of Carey Price (who signed for less money), and getting a promising rookie in Lars Eller in the deal.

The most pivotal part of the Halak trade was opening up cap space to resign Tomas Plekanec, who is the MVP of the 2010-11 Habs, next to Price.

Gauthier then dealt problem child Sergei Kostitsyn for the rights to Dan Ellis and Dustin Boyd. Ellis signed the next day with the Tampa Bay Lightning, and Boyd is now in the AHL. For the time being, some feel this deal is one against Gauthier, but considering Kostitsyn's market value was next to zero at the time, it may have been his best or only option.

Then again, there was a plan B in acquiring Alex Auld to be Price's backup and a mentor, and so far that has been a bargain signing on and off the ice.

Speaking of bargains. how about Jeff Halpern? Not a bad deal, and more economical upgrade on Moore or Glen Metropolit, who now play in Tampa and Switzerland respectively.

A series of re-signings also reinforced the Hamilton Bulldogs. Gauthier was able to lure Alexander Avtsin back, after his KHL team dissolved, and also resigned David Desharnais and Ryan Russell.

As the 2010-11 season opened, Gauthier traded Ryan O`Byrne to the Colorado Avalanche. OB couldn't find a home in the Habs depth chart under Jacques Martin, and seems at home in Denver. The prospect the Habs received in return, Michael Bournival, appears to be worth the risk long term.

Gauthier also responded to adversity when Andrei Markov was lost for the season. His quick response was to snag pending UFA James Wisniewski for the New York Islanders. Wisniewski has been a tremendous asset to the Canadiens power play, and a better choice than last year's emergency replacement, Marc-Andre Bergeron.

The one arguable blemish on Gauthier's record so far might be allowing Guy Boucher to walk and take an NHL job in Tampa. Many feel that his close ties to Martin left him no choice. Now that it appears that Kirk Muller may be the next to seek a head coaching job, it will be interesting to see Gauthier reacts.

So far though, we can't be overly critical of Gauthier's moves through year one, unless your name is maybe Jack Todd. The Habs are 30-19-5 this season, which adds up to a combined 41-26-9 record in a calender year. That's 91 points, with six games to go in a typical season, and a trip to the Conference Final sandwiched in between. Not too bad, is it?

Let the debate begin, as the trade deadline approaches and Gauthier has a potential of over 4 million in cap space with Josh Gorges and Markov on LTI

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After a full year as Canadiens GM, how do you feel about Pierre Gauthier as GM?
Good
257 votes
Bad
15 votes
Undecided
63 votes

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Allowing Boucher to sign with Tampa is no blemish on Gauthier. It is standard practice among GM’s to allow any member of an organization to better themselves career wise when opportunities present themselves. It is greatly frowned upon when a GM tries to roadblock opportunity, such as what Bryan Murray attempted to do with Peter Chiarelli.

by Robert L on Feb 8, 2011 7:49 AM EST reply actions  

You know, and I know that it is not a blemish, Robert. But there are those who were ragging Gauthier for letting it happen, and not convincing him to get Martin to step aside. Hence, an “arguable blemish.” ;)

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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 8, 2011 12:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

muller was blocked

robert:

what about the widely reported blocking of muller this past summer seeking a head coaching job…not sure who stepped in to do that but assume it was gauthier…with the boucher upside long term it would have served the org to keep him

by pfhabs on Feb 8, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

chiarelli

murray was not blocking his move to boston just the timing of the deal…sens wanted it to happen after the trade deadline and not before. in the end what one does by cell phone off premises with a 3rd party cannot be controlled it was a foolish move by murray and the bruins got chara anyway

oooh yeah the big picture; without wasting a lot of time on explanations to you like minded folks many, including moi , disagree on the halak deal (timing, return and market not created); sk (return); obryne (evaluation mistake); boucher (evaluation mistake); robinson (foolish protection of previous hire).

minority report filed :)

by pfhabs on Feb 8, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love to see some links on that from reputable sources and not hearsay and speculation. With out that I cannot assume that it happened.

by Chris Boyle on Feb 8, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

links on what aspect ?

for you to contend that something is hearsay only means you did not hear the report/discussion and I would ask WTF are you ? as to what you consider reputable, again WTF are you ?

as if in the greater scheme of things converting you to another view was of some measure of importance or that the veracity of something depended on your approval. EOTP must be truly blessed to have you on staff. then again your take below on the Halak deal exposes your naivete

in summary LMAOROTF

by pfhabs on Feb 8, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You really want to debate Chris on Halak vs Price? Good luck with that.

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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 8, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

your assumption Kevin is that I disagree with the trade…I do not, they in fact traded the right guy…what they didn’t do is talk to anyone outside of St Louis and even in talking to St Louis they did not need a centre with Plekanecs and Gomez in the fold long term. Eller is not a 3rd line centre and according to the St louis scouting staff and the guy that drafted him (Kikolenien) he is projected to be a #2 centre not a winger. so unless a miracle occurs in the next 3 years he will not play ahead of Plekanecs nor Gomez… you could also argue that with some ruthless triming of marginal 3rd or 4th liners they could have signed both Price and Halak and then traded Halak for for a player that was needed either at that point or later; i.e., in this season. on the other hand had they not signed an average 2nd line centre for star money (Gomez) they would have had the cash to sign Halak and Plekanecs without dumping other players but then we’d have to acknowledge that Gauthier as the chief of pro scouting mis-evaluated another pro player

so I don’t need luck I would like people to open their minds and ears and stop signing from the same song book

by pfhabs on Feb 8, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

“what they didn’t do is talk to anyone outside of St Louis”

Well before you make THAT assumption, Gauthier stated in the press conference, after the deal, that other teams did make inquiries on Halak’s availability and that some were just kicking tires, and that the St. Louis offer was the most suitable.

As for Eller, he has played both centre and wing in the past, so his adapting to both is not an issue.

I know you were talking hypothetical, but do you really think Walsh was going to settle for his client splitting another season in Mtl? No, and the Habs knew that, which is why they didn’t even offer negotiations.

And by the way, how do you “sign” from a songbook?

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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 8, 2011 10:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

according to Dave (Dwayne) Mundy scout in St Lou and Kikolenien Eller is better suited to centre and his performance in MTL between the 2 positions seems to bare that out…if you want to argue with their assessments be my guest

correct re non suitable tire kickers BUT did not open competition to league. did not create bidding war

Walsh ? well his client was the playoff hero, outplayed Price all year and was the defacto #1 between the 2 going into the next season…it was manageable/conceivable in keeping both

with rythmn

by pfhabs on Feb 9, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s hard to create a bidding war over a commodity not many want. The goalie market has been crappy the past few years because most teams have realized that goaltender performance from year-to-year is difficult to predict and volatile. Throw in the salary cap and the glut of good goaltenders and it would have been a miracle for Gauthier to get a return that met the expectation of Joe fan.

by Roke on Feb 9, 2011 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Winner of the most nonsensical post of 2011!

It doesn’t need my approval, but “you contending” that the Gauthier “blocked” Muller from leaving is as relevant as me saying it didn’t happen.

It holds zero relevance and only pushes the reader to believe something that you haven’t chosen to prove with a substantiated report, link, etc.

Nice tantrum by the way.

by Chris Boyle on Feb 8, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

reported in La Presse, Cyberpresse-Gagnon and reported on 990 but of course your lack of knowledge of this is much more substantial proof that it didn’t happen…as for the link get off your ass and do the research

by pfhabs on Feb 8, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact you didn’t bother to pull up a link yourself really doesn’t help your case.

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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 8, 2011 10:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

sorry Kevin not my job to provide the links to articles, podcast to the interviews…you and your buddies want to run a blog perhaps you need to do a better job at scanning print and electronic media in both languages and creating the reference library of “truth”.

by pfhabs on Feb 9, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually when you make a claim, and it’s challenged, if you want to continue on in a discussion honestly it is your job to prove that claim.

by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 9, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe you should read this

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110209/mtl_habshub_habit_110208/20110209/?hub=MontrealSports

That is great that it is reported in La Presse and reported on 990. You do know that it was reported that Hossa was on his way to Montreal on various websites and radio shows in 2008. I guess that was fact.

Reputable source would also not include “I heard”, “it has been said” etc etc, it would include a comment from Muller, Gauthier, the team that was told that they could not talk to him, an agent who confirms this action. You know, responsible reporting not based on hearsay or poor interpretation by the writer.

I guess I am being ridiculous in actually holding you to “your statement” and expecting you to back it up. No link means no confirmation which means irrelevant to all those reading this.

by Chris Boyle on Feb 9, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 8, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

oooh that’s so cute…do you pick nits out of each others head

by pfhabs on Feb 8, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This is great.

Kev, what is the record for tantrums in one thread?

by Chris Boyle on Feb 9, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

The Halak deal alone showed me what type of GM he is.

The easy way out was the less controversial move. He made the tough choice when everybody thought Halak was the next Hasek. He cashed in his stock at it’s peak and that is a smart man.

by Chris Boyle on Feb 8, 2011 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

I wasn’t enthusiastic at all about the move a year ago as I wasn’t interested in continuity from the Gainey era for the next GM, but Gauthier showed his value with every move so far. The only thing that didn’t work out well is the Kostitsyn trade that netted absolutely nothing, but his hands were tied on this one.

by Hypnotoad on Feb 8, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

The SK74 deal was addition by subtraction.

by Robert L on Feb 8, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

You could certainly say that, but it always hurt a little to lose a talented player for nothing even if the player is practically begging to be released.

by Hypnotoad on Feb 8, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

SK 74

wrong Robert…even if you decide to trade someone you do not devaluate an asset…perhaps SK74 was the wrong guy for the Jacques Martin system but that doesn’t mean he will not flourish elsewhere as he is doing under Trotts. knowing that as a GM should you trade a player knowing the value he’ll have on another team under another coach

Gauthier is clueless in this area. look at D’Agostini, O’Bryne and SK as just 3 examples of players doing better elsewhere and what did he get for improving other teams ? a guy toiling in Hammy, 2 UFAs of which one said no thank you to the CH and the other waived twice by the CH and a junior player who may make the NHL in 3 years…wow , tremendous asset management…then again all you like minded folks march lock step that Gauthier has done very well…the Ghost should send you all thank you cards as you do the CH PR department’s work for them

and so the phrase- one man’s ceiling is another’s floor …enjoy the stellar work of one Mr Gauthier who Boivin found after “turning over every rock”

by pfhabs on Feb 8, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

trading assets - return value

These deals all happened within 6 months -

Habs traded playoff superhero Halak, SK 74 (on 60pt pace in Nashville), Ryan OB (top 4 D with Avs within a month of leaving Habs) and Lapierre (3rd line player for last 3 years) …

And in return have, Eller ! With Bournival & Schultz in the system and the bum we got from Anaheim, a #10 D man who won’t be resigned this summer.

Overall, I like the look of today’s Habs, but nobody can tell me that we got anything NEAR MARKET VALUE in return for the 4 players named above. That’s crazy.

by Watty4ever on Feb 9, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Signing Darche was also a big key.

Mathieu Darche has played really well and is a big part of this team’s success thus far. He brings his work ethic every day whether it is a game or practice. With a lot of young forwards, it was a smart move to sign Darche. He has really helped them with their game and is a positive influence on the team.

Price, Plekanec, Halpern, Wisniewski, and Darche have been some of key reasons for the team’s success this season. Great job by Gauthier.

by Ashok11 on Feb 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

I’m happy with his moves. I’m not privy to what exactly has gone on with the scouting department, which has changed significantly since his arrival, but I guess we’ll find out in a few years how that is turning out.

His next big test will be balancing the long term and short term needs of the team’s defensive core. It’s no secret that in order for the Habs to become a contender, the defenisve core will have to be the key: there are no Crosbys or Ovies to build around here, and our two most talented skaters are defensemen. Building depth at centre and on D seems to be his focus, and I must say that is exactly what I’d do if I were in a similar position, so I’m supportive of that.

Heh, you missed the Lapierre trade, Kev. It’s amazing you forgot the loss of such a key player like Max. lol

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by Bruce Peter on Feb 8, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

Yes and I missed Matt D’Agostini as well. I’m such a hack…lol

The thing with Gauthier is that he looks to teams that are willing to use the players he wishes to dealt.

Safe to say O`Byrne will not win a Norris, or Lapierre or Dags an Art Ross, but they are getting plating time and the Habs have got some decent prospects to fill the lower ranks.

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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 8, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He's doing as well as can be expected

Gauthier doesn’t sit on his hands and the Wisniewski trade is a perfect example. Considering all the injuries this team has performed quite well.

Also considering the team’s run last spring, the only thing I can knock him for is not re-signing Moore. Sure he’s more money than Halpern, but the thing is he formed a good bond with the core of the team and had some clutch goals — something we could have built on with this year’s playoffs.

by Habs Fan in LeafLand on Feb 8, 2011 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

Considering the timing of his takeover, and the multitude of difficult decisions he’s had to make, it’s hard not to admire what Gauthier has done. He made a low risk, high reward move to get Dominic Moore last year, and then did the difficult, unpopular thing by trading Halak for an organizational need, and signing Price to a very reasonable contract (not to mention Plekanec which was also an excellent signing).

A hallmark of a good GM is being able to sign good players off the reclamation pile for cheap, and Gauthier did just that with Halpern and to a lesser extent (because I’m not a fan of his) Picard. He also rewarded the hardworking Darche, which I think sends a good message to the kids in Hamilton; when you work as hard as him, we’ll call you up.

The most important thing about what Gauthier has done thus far, is that he’s made the team better, shown by their record, while also boosting the talent level of our players under the age of 23. Adding Bournival and Eller may not seem that effective now, but in 2-5 years those are both going to look like steals.

by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 8, 2011 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

how is Eller an organizational need ?

Gomez and Plekanecs are more accomplished with much higher contracts for another 3 & 5 years. if Louis Leblanc doesn’t switch to centre he’ll be another 2nd line centre to be in MTL in about 2 years…Eller is behind those 3 because of contracts and draft status of Leblanc

by pfhabs on Feb 8, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

 if Louis Leblanc doesn’t switch to centre -—should read if Leblanc doesn’t switch to wing

by pfhabs on Feb 8, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

did you mean IS

seems I made have made an error. perhaps you meant that the CH had a urgency to get Ian Schultz into the fold ? I’m sure Ian will be on the #1 line as soon as Sather decides he wants Gomez back and McDonagh comes back to the CH
CH

good thing Gauthier maintains the position of Chief or Director of Pro scouting as no one can surpass his acumen .. then again perhaps he’s turning over all the rocks that Boivin didn’t

by pfhabs on Feb 8, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

How sad that you’re so desperate to hate on Gauthier for some unknown reason that you can’t see the value of a 21 year old NHL player past 3 or even 5 years. You’re also discounting the possibility of Gomez not finishing his contract in Montreal, which is very likely as his cap hit becomes larger than his salary and he becomes attractive to teams that have to hit the cap floor.

So your actual argument in bringing up Leblanc is that we have too many good centers? Are you serious? Damn that Gauthier for bringing in something the Canadiens haven’t had since the early 90’s!! Depth at center! How dare he! And Eller is even a large center! Something the organization has been desperate for forever! What a terrible GM Gauthier is.

by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 9, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

well andy what’s sad is your analyses

not desperate about gauthier in any fashion i just think he was not the only nor the best choice available to replace gainey and molson missed his chance to clean house once his affection for gainey was no longer in play. secondly gauthier’s record and influence since 2003 to date is not anything more than average to me..if that’s deperation to you spend some time with a dictionary

well there’s lots of teams with issues of hitting or maintaining the cap floor now but there’s no perceivable desire for gomez’s services and cap hit rules always over cash flow. cash flow although important to profit and loss is meaningless in managing the team under the imposed expediture level called a cap. there’s a possibility in 2 years that his cap hit may be a desireable commodity but at his production rate my guess is he’s wearing a CH logo for the duration and those teams will reach the floor with more productive players
 
missing nuance seems to be your stock and trade. eller is a large centre ? gomez, pleks and eller all weigh in at 198 with louis coming in at 180 with a few years of growth behind the other 3. I guess the 3" eller has on gomez and pleks or the 2" on louis makes him some sort of bruiser ? ever watch him play…“larger” is relative. they are all about the same in weight and stature and louis actually plays tougher than the other 3.

eller doesn’t meet that dominant big offensive #1 centre they haven’t had in years. that is the organizational need not a #2 centre and eller in no way fits the bill as a #1…soon enough eller will be in the ahl if gauthier can swallow his pride in trading a starting goalie for a 2nd line centre if he pans out in 2-3 years

the point you miss is that all 4 of these guys are already or are projected as 2nd line centres. tell me oh grate one how many second line centres can they actually play out of position in 2 years time ? what they didn’t need is another 2nd line centre which if he meets projections by the guys who drafted and developed him (st lou) is what eller will be.

perhaps it’s news to such a superficial analyst such as yourself but 2nd line centre is not an organizational need….try doing your homework first then opening the pie hole. I’d send you the links for the podcast of the Mundy interview and the Kikolenien interview but as I said to CB do your own homework . not my job to educate you or get you the background docs

enjoy your love-in girls you’re quite the incestuous group of CH apologists but worth all the giggles you provide trying to convey a nonexistent air of knowledge.

by pfhabs on Feb 9, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

" spend some time with a dictionary"

Well said, from someone who doesn’t know where to use a capital letter, period, comma, etc.

“Grate” job!

Your opinions show real merit and credibility when typed like this. It should be your nap time now, so run along little boy.

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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 9, 2011 12:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This guy really has a temper problem. It’s actually hilarious to watch him blow up over nothing.

by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 9, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m undecided, but looking positive

When Gauthier took over from Gainey I was disappointed, believing that the team would be heading in the same direction as they had under Gainey, but in less capable hands. In the past year Gauthier has shown himself to be as capable as Gainey, and in some areas more astute.

As you mentioned Kevin, his depth moves had been good. Trading for Moore was a decent move and signing Halpern was tremendous. This is one area where I think Gauthier might be a better GM than Gainey was. The emergence of the bottom-6 bargain didn’t really happen until the last couple of years with the salary cap squeezing them out. Nonetheless, Gauthier is taking advantage of it and hopefully he does so again this off-season if the opportunity is still there.

For me the Kostitsyn trade is the one blemish. Yes, Kostitsyn had no or little value but the trade looks like a negative-value return to me. Both players the Habs got were Unrestricted Free Agents, and Boyd in his time with the big club was abysmal. Yes, Boyd was a little unlucky with the Habs’ shooting and save percentage when he was on the ice, but the Habs were also getting killed in scoring chances when he was out there as well. It doesn’t help when you’re playing with Lapierre and Pyatt, but I think the Habs may have been better off having him go play in Europe than make that trade again. Of course, I liked the trade when it was made (because Boyd looked like an upgrade on Lapierre & Pyatt for me and Kostitsyn was a “problem child who couldn’t be fixed”), so I guess I can’t be too critical.

Going forward, how Andrei Kostitsyn is handled is going to play a significant role in my decision on where I stand on Gauthier. Kostitsyn is ridiculously undervalued by most media and the general fanbase, but he is a 2-way top-6 forward who can handle tough minutes against the opposition’s best all while on a decent contract. I believe much of the bad rap for him comes from the disruptive player Sergei was last season, yet Andrei has never been a disruptive influence around the team as far as I can recall. I cannot conceive of a trade of Kostitsyn where the Habs net equal-or-better value, so my hope is that they hold onto him at least until he hits Unrestricted Free Agency and then go from there. If the Habs aren’t interested in re-signing him when he’s an UFA, and there isn’t much of a market for him, I can’t shake the feeling that Detroit will sign him to what will be one hell of a bargain contract.

by Roke on Feb 9, 2011 3:36 AM EST reply actions  

I think most of the bad rap comes from the fact he isn’t Mike Richards, Ryan Getzlaf, Jeff Carter, Zach Parise, Corey Perry or Ryan Kesler. Once again expectation creates a problem that he cannot live down.

As for Sergei, a lot of peoples judgement of Sergei are based on expectation set from watching him with the London Knights and his small flashes of strong play in between. The bias is based on familiarity and fear of losing out on his talent, but how can we equally judge Boyd based on 10 games? The majority of us have seen Boyd play 10 games.

There is 9 months difference in age between the two, but one player is forgiven for his flaws (immaturity, stubborness, lack of discipline) and the other is buried as essentially a nothing even though he has 14 goals in 20 games in the AHL. Remember, most people thought this was a great trade because we also received Dan Ellis. You know, the Dan Ellis that could push Carey Price for the starting job, LOL. How has everybody’s opinion on Ellis changed now after only 5 months?

Maybe Sergei has grown up and maybe this will come back to haunt the Habs, but at the time the deal was made, I think we were all fed up with his act.

The best move was to let him go to Europe, but we don’t really know if that was his plan. If he planned on returning to North America maybe they assumed he would do more damage in Montreal or Hamilton so they let him go. All speculation unfortunately.

by Chris Boyle on Feb 9, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Trade returns?

Without dissin’ anyone on this thread personally, I’m really struggling to see how Gauthier has done a good job managing these player assets.

Like I write above – look at the big picture >> Between June and Jan (7 months), we gave up Halak, SK 74, O’Byrne (after 3 yrs of waiting), and Lapierre … and have 1 player on our team in return (Eller) with a couple of “average” prospects (Bournival & Schultz). Given that all 4 of the players we traded are playing big minutes (except Lapierre) and prominent roles on their teams, that’s not a very good return.

And it’s not like Eller is one of the top 5 or 10 players on our team. You package Halak, SK 74 and O’Byrne today and what type of player would you get back? A top 6 fwd or top 2/3 Dman?

by Watty4ever on Feb 9, 2011 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Simplistic analysis

You can’t pick bunch all the players together to make assumptions.

Halak was traded for a 1st round pick who had just made the AHL rookie team at the age of 20.
You know who else made the All-Rookie team last season?

Subban, Carlson, Ennis and Couture. All four are having a significant impact in the NHL this season. I guess Eller is zero return though.

http://theahl.com/2009-10-ahl-all-rookie-team-announced-p141785

What if the Canadiens had traded Halak in 2006 when he was in the ECHL? Would you tell me that he has zero value at 20 years old? You are dealing in futures and are inflating the stock of the known player to you and deflating the unknown stock because it is unknown.

Bournival is an “average” prospect? What was your take on Plekanec when he was 18? What was your take on Pacioretty 3 months ago? What was the majority of Hab fans take on Carey Price in September? What was your rating of Josh Gorges when the Canadiens acquired him at the age of 23 for Craig Rivet? Average prospect right?

Where are the Superstars the Habs shipped out that lead to these brutal returns?

O’Byrne is 26 years old and was outplayed by numerous defensemen over his 4 seasons with the Canadiens and Sergei told them to go fuck themselves twice by refusing to report to Hamilton. I am sure these would not be viewed as positives by other organizations.

Halak had a magnificent run but hasn’t exactly lit up the league for the Blues this season. What until the playoffs right?

Lapierre? Dime a dozen. The Habs just picked up a better player of the free agent wire for 600k in Jeff Halpern.

I have no problem with people disagreeing on Gauthier’s performance, but scrap the bias and put the deals in their proper perspectives. The positives have outweighed the negatives so far.

by Chris Boyle on Feb 9, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

that's unbiased?

I have been defending the Halak trade since it was made, so no real disagreement there …. Eller’s a very good prospect at low salary.

No question that SK 74 had worn out his welcome and Lapierre is a dime-a-dozen type player, but you’re mixing apples & oranges going back to the Gorges trade (dumping an overpaid vet in Rivet for a prospect & #1 draft pick, which makes sense even if Gorges proved to be nothing) and the improvement over the years of young studs like Pleks and Max P. And signing quality low priced players like Darche & Halpern doesn’t speak to the downside of giving away 4 NHL players for 1 NHL player, 2 prospects & waiver casualty.

Now if Boyd was playing as well as Halpern for Mtl and you can assure me that Schultz and Bournival will have a bigger impact on the Habs in 2-3 years than D Fisher, R McDonagh, K Chipchura and B Maxwell are having today, then I’ll agree that Gauthier got good return value for a top-line winger, #1 goalie, top 4 Dman, and 3rd line grinder.

by Watty4ever on Feb 9, 2011 5:54 PM EST reply actions  

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