2011 NHL Trade Deadline: Short vs. Long Term Thinking
One of our favourite Habs reporters, Arpon Basu of CTV, gave Gauthier some unsolicited advice today:
If he's looking for a suggestion (he isn't), I've got one for him: do nothing.
I propose he do absolutely nothing, at least not of the major variety.
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Hang on to those high draft picks or minor league players and see what happens when Subban is placed in a situation where he needs to elevate his game. See what happens when Pacioretty has 24 more games of maturity in him. See what happens when Weber is playing with a veteran partner against opposing team's third and fourth lines. See what happens when a healthy Cammalleri is thrown in the mix. See if the injuries to Gill and Spacek don't turn out to be blessings in disguise, with both coming back a little more refreshed and energized for the final stretch.
It's an admirable thought, but I think it bears a bit more analysis.
In recent years, I've heard a lot of groaning about the Habs throwing assets away for 'rental' players, as if to justify any acquisition you must hold onto them even when your options are opened up come NHL free agency to a greater pool of available talent. Dominic Moore, Robert Lang, Alex Tanguay, and Mathieu Schneider have all had short periods of time in Montreal in recent years, and were acquired via trade. Moore was acquired for a 2nd round draft pick, while Lang was essentially traded for Mikhail Grabovski, Tanguay for a 2008 1st rounder and the picked acquired for Cristobal Huet, and Schneider for a second rounder as well. Second rounders seem to be the Habs' prefered currency, and as a result there has not been a second round draft pick for the Habs since Danny Kristo in 2008.
This isn't to say a 2nd rounder is lacking value, it obviously does hold some pretty good value: 2nd round draft picks from 2003-07 for Montreal include P.K. Subban, Guillaume Latendresse, Maxim Lapierre, Kristo, Ben Maxwell and Mathieu Carle. However, if Basu's theory of experience gained by playing key roles in key games is true, it should be noted that without sacrificing those picks in recent years, it's quite possible no experience would've been gained. In 2009, Montreal barely qualified for the playoffs (and got a significant boost with the late addition of Schneider) but were dispatched quickly. In 2010, the Canadiens again barely made the playoffs, but were able to pull of two unlikely upsets to advance to the third round. Dominic Moore did provide an important role, giving the Habs a third line that didn't need to be sheltered, and he provided some unexpected offence upon his arrival to help win some close games.
Perhaps this isn't what Basu was referring to as "major" deals, but the fact is that even short term deals, meant only to help this year's team, can have long term benefits. Playing in the playoffs last year allowed P.K. Subban to begin his climb up the depth chart to where he is today, playing nearly thirty minutes against the Sabres without being on the ice for a goal against.
How much of this is truly tangible? I don't honestly know, but if such experiences do benefit players, particularly young ones, then I think an argument can be made to enhance the chances of making, and excelling, in the post-season. This year, Gauthier made an early move to acquire James Wisniewski, who I still view as a rental, again sacrificing a 2nd rounder in the process (acquired by not signing 2006 first round bust David Fischer). At some point, Montreal is going to pick in the second round again, but Gauthier obviously feels comfortable trading a not unimportant part of the team's future for short term gains. And maybe he believes those short term gains can help the team in the long run, whether there's any truth to that thought or not.
Martin's Shootout Strategy
The shootout is a guessing game at the best of times, and there is real no logic to how it will play out. Over the past few days, I've read and shared some opinion with two of our EOTP writers on the subject, namely Chris Boyle and Andrew Berkshire. As Chris pointed out, Alex Auld stopped the first three of Islanders shooters, but allowed a goal on the fourth, losing the shootout as the Canadiens fired four blanks on a goalie with an .882 SV%... in the AHL. Carey Price allowed two goals on three shots against Buffalo but helped push the Habs to a ten round shootout before eventually losing. It's the ultimate in short sample sizes and random chance dictating the outcome of the game, and there is virtually no evidence of actual shootout skill in the NHL, even with nearly six years of data to draw upon. So when Jacques Martin is faced with who to choose to shoot in the ninth round, I find it hard to question his choice.
Andrew didn't like the choice of Tom Pyatt at that point, but I couldn't find reason to fault the choice. For starters, Martin had already used seven forwards to that point: Desharnais, Plekanec, Gionta, Pouliot, Pacioretty, Gomez, and Kostitsyn, while he went with Subban in round seven. That meant that amongst forwards, he had only Pyatt, Darche, Halpern, Moen and White to choose from, plus five defensemen. After Pyatt, he chose Wisniewski, and didn't get a chance to go beyond him. So there wasn't a lot to choose from, and certainly not a lot of guys with shootout experience before... I believe Wisniewski was 0 for 1 in his career, and I don't know if anyone else had ever given the shootout a try in the NHL... only Halpern seems like he would've gotten a shot.
So with few options, all Martin has to go on is what maybe has been shown by these players in practices, or just gut feel. Pyatt, being of reasonable speed, and certainly the quickest of the available forwards, might have had that going for him, with Martin hoping Pyatt could catch Enroth playing too aggressively. Wisniewski, who was chosen next, uses a one-timer for his prime offensive weapon, which isn't really useful in the shootout, so I don't think it's logical to put him ahead of Pyatt despite his higher goal totals. Maybe Yannick Weber has a trick or two up his sleeve with his puck skills, but we're really grasping at straws when you hit round nine or later. It's trying to choose the best of the worst, and unfortunately the Sabres still had a pretty good option in Jochen Hecht to go with, and he made a great move at full speed to beat Price to the goalpost on a forehand deke.
It was a weird shootout, and hopefully we don't see Pyatt take too many chances in the future (though I would like to see a full 18, or longer, round shootout at some point), but it's not like we lost because Martin made an obviously terrible choice of shooter in round 9. Fact is, every choice was a pretty bad one at that point. It's not often you lose a shootout when you score on the first two shots, or when you score in a sudden death round as Pacioretty did. But sometimes the coin flips heads eight times in a row, too.
That being said, I am surprised Pyatt didn't dump the puck into the corner.
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I don’t mind trading draft picks and all. I only hope the Canadiens management and fans get realistic about this team and its chances. IN January, I wrote this article (Know When to Fold Em) and I stand by that.
Adding a big piece at this point will surely change the complexion of the team, but probably not enough to alter the fate of the rookies vs. the Flyers, Red Wings of even Blackhawks in the playoffs.
Can a team with Subban, Weber, Desharnais, Pyatt, Pacioretty, etc. win the Cup this year? That is the question.
Certainly, given the team’s home/road splits this year, it’d be better to enter as the #3 seed than the #5 or #6. So improving our ability to win our own division might be worthwhile.
I don’t know about adding big pieces… they’re rarely available. I suppose Hemsky and Weiss are out there, but I haven’t heard many pending UFAs that would provide massive impact.
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I would tend to agree with you and I do not think this team can win the Cup this year.
buuuuut,
Richer, C. Lemieux, Roy, Skrudland, Dahlin, Momesso, Rooney and Kordic had no chance to beat the 1986 Oilers (32 points), the Flyers (23 points) or the Capitals (+20).
No way Paul Dipietro, Gilbert Dionne and John Leclair could produce 18 goals en route to the Stanley Cup in a season in which the Penguins had 19 points more than the Habs and played half the season without Lemieux.
How do you feel if after the first round the Flyers are upset by the Sabres. Now the Habs need to beat the Pens without Crosby and Malkin, the Lightning, Bruins, Capitals, Rangers or Canes to make the Stanley Cup FInals.
Do I believe that is going to happen? It is unimportant because as a fanbase we have seen two improbable Stanley Cups as well as a Conference Finals run last season that defied all logic.
We should be optimistic that anything can happen, rookies or not.
Last season’s Eastern Conference proved why they call the post season “The second season.”
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Feb 16, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think you answer your own question. All those guys you mention were Canadiens prospects come through. I notice you didn’t mention Rob Ramage or Gary Leeman.
There’s a difference between knowing anything is possible and any team can win with the right circumstances and acquiring a piece because you expect to be in the final if no catastrophes occur.
I think Arpon and I (and you from the sounds of it) agree that being optimistic about this team is good. Being unrealistic could be dangerous.
Your article was overly pessimistic when you wrote it, and it is even worse now that so much of it has been disproved by the events. I mean, that article went so far as to express doubt that the roster was strong enough to even make the playoffs! While clawing to make the playoffs may be a popular media truism, it would be nice to live in reality for a change — it’s just that people seem to have trouble accepting the reality of the Habs as a good team.
With that ghastly stretch of misfortune in December, I don’t blame you for suggesting to fold on the season, even if it was premature, but let’s look at where things stand now. The Habs are fundamentally a good, even very good team. They will make the playoffs comfortably, so long as they can maintain at least a very disappointing .500 point pace. Their record is solid, yet it frankly does not reflect their actual level of play throughout the year. Boston, a team that is weaker than the Habs, is slowly falling back to Earth as their string of good fortune is coming to an end. The likelihood that the Habs will enter the playoffs as a home-ice team is therefore quite high. They are one of the four best teams in the conference, possibly three if Crosby doesn’t return to
The Habs are in the best situation they’ve been in 15 years. Even that time where they won the conference, their team was not as fundamentally strong as this one. They may not be a sure thing but you have to consider that in the crapshoot that is the playoffs, they are at least a decent outsider.
I mean, exactly at which point should you be a buyer? Do you need to be the uncontested best team in the NHL, with nary a challenge to your might? That’d make a lot of sellers every year.
I’ll even go one further: if this is the kind of year that says “we should fold”, then the Habs should fold every year, because it’s likely there won’t be a situation that is “good enough”.
Come on Mathman. I never said blow up the season, even if you read it. i said people have to ask whether the team will make the playoffs and if they do, whteher that is contention. I stand by that today. No events on the 6-3-2 run have blown my mind sufficiently to change that.
Yes the Habs are in a very good situation. all the more reason I think to exercise a little bit of patience and stick with the team as it is.
A 6-3-2 run is a 104 point pace, in and of itself. So it’s already pretty telling when that becomes “same old same old”. I don’t think the team needs to blow your mind, I would think it’s continual excellence would be enough.
I stand by my statement: the Habs are in the top half of the conference’s playoff teams. They would have to be considered contenders on that basis alone. But the notion is apparently preposterous for some media people who decided before the season that Boston is a world-beater and Montreal is a low-end bubble team, and are hanging onto those conceptions in the face of reality.
I don’t think a radical move by a rental is wise, but I do think the Habs should be moderate buyers. In the crapshoot that is the playoffs, they certainly have a good enough shot.
Not sure
When looking at Boston picking up Peverly and Kaberle, they seemed (appearances are what we have) to solidify a character scorer and a puck moving D.
Habs pick up Mara – he’s already known to their situation and was cheap.
When Pouliot, Kostitsyn, and Gomez hit their non-productive strides…. that’s the better part of 2 lines not producing. MathMan, I appreciated all of your statistical analysis this year, its not a forte of mine. But Gomez is HORRIBLE. He doesn’t add anything to the offense and takes bad penalties. No better than a Souray when you are behind by a goal taking elbowing penalties.
To not search for a guy, whether it be another D ( there are still some out there) or aforementioned Hemsky or Weiss, may make the confidence of the team waiver. Losing a string of games to lesser teams brings about questions. Watching Wiz get the puck to his grill, brings about questions. Listening to english or french speaking media brings about questions.
Price over played this year? Enough grit to get through a tough round with Philly or Boston? Can our spare parts D manage to stay healthy enough to get us to the end of the season? Will Gautier look at the whole picture and say “We need a diamond in the rough d or f and quick because we don’t have what it takes by calling up AHLers”?
All will be scrutinized, because….. We’re Habs fans through and through and no matter what stats tell us, its our hearts that do the final judgements on whether or not 2010-2011 was a bust.
My issue right now are the rumours on many other sites where Dustin Penner is coming to Montreal. I might actually puke in my mouth if that should happen. I could care less if its 6th round pics we give up, we don’t need another inconsistent.
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Feb 19, 2011 2:16 PM EST reply actions

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