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Habs Goal Projections for 2011-12 Season

Early in the year its very easy to get caught up in the number of goals and points a player has in a very limited sample size of games, with the likes of Phil Kessel scoring like Gretzky and Eric Staal on pace for a 19 goal, 34 point campaign. However this does not mean that we cannot make an assessment of how well a player is performing and how productive they might be expected to be over the course of this season. It merely means that our projections should be based on the stable components of a production and the player's historic abilities.

Here I will attempt to get a good idea of what kind of goalscoring production we may expect from Montreal's players by basing our projection on the most stable component of a player's goalscoring given their current usage and competition, shots per game, while combining it with the element that best reflects his style and historical goalscoring ability, career shooting percentage. However, as the existing scoring results from this year are in the past and thus unchanging, the projections are only for the balance of the season with the player's current goal totals added afterwards.

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The Forwards:

Player

Goals

Shots per Game Rate

Career Shooting%

Projected Goals

Total Goals

Max Pacioretty

7

3.8

8.9

22.32

29.32

Michael Cammalleri

3

3.4

11.9

26.70

29.70

Erik Cole

3

3.0

12.4

24.55

27.55

Tomas Plekanec

4

2.9

11.5

22.01

26.01

Andrei Kostitsyn

5

2.3

12.5

18.98

23.98

Brian Gionta

4

2.1

11.1

15.38

19.38

Scott Gomez

0

1.9

7.4

9.28

9.28

Mathieu Darche

1

1.7

8.4

9.42

10.42

Travis Moen

5

1.3

7.6

6.52

11.52

Lars Eller

1

1.3

9.5

8.15

9.15

David Desharnais

3

0.7

16.2

7.48

10.48

Petteri Nokelainen

0

0.6

8.3

3.29

3.29

Mike Blunden

0

0.5

3.5

1.16

1.16

Aaron Palushaj

0

0.5

0.0

0.00

0.00

Andreas Engqvist

0

0.1

0.0

0.00

0.00

This method assumes the player will play all the remaining 66 games of the season, which obviously cannot be the case for 15 forwards. Palushaj and Engqvist are obviously handicapped by the method from never scoring an NHL goal while the shooting percentage of younger players new to the NHL is less reliable. Notably, Max Pacioretty's shooting percentage over the previous 2 seasons of 12.1% may be more reflective of his true talent than an average that includes his first two seasons where he seemed a different player than the current one. Bumping him up to 12.1% fits him well with his catagory of offensive wingers and results in a projected 37 goal season for the 22 year old.

Brian Gionta's shot production abilities are notably behind that of his previous Montreal seasons. This may be a side effect of the absence of his usual center, Gomez, with whom his shot totals leapt above his previous seasons in New Jersey. Its possible that his shot production will be elevated by Gomez's return to the lineup if they are reunited.

 

The Defensemen:

Player

Goals

Shots per Game Rate

Career Shooting%

Projected Goals

Total Goals

P.K. Subban

0

3.1

5.6

11.46

11.46

Yannick Weber

2

1.9

2.9

3.64

5.64

Raphael Diaz

1

1.1

5.9

4.28

5.28

Josh Gorges

1

1.0

3.9

2.57

3.57

Alexei Emelin

0

1.0

0.0

0.00

0.00

Hal Gill

0

0.9

3.2

1.90

1.90

Jaroslav Spacek

0

0.4

5.9

1.56

1.56

Chris Campoli

0

2.0

6.9

9.11

9.11

Subban's shot production is currently 4th in the league but remains goalless in a season long cold streak. Despite this, his goal-totals for the year expect to be quite high on the back of a good career shooting% and his excellent ability to direct shots on net. Rookies Emelin and Diaz have very little track record to go on to determine what to expect and also face the prospect of missing games as a result of players returning from injury. At this point their projections are completely unreliable.  Meanwhile, Subban and Weber's shooting ability is based on essentially one season of NHL play.

Campoli's shot rate is base on a single game and are therefore not worth much of anything. Which is just as well as the time of his return from injury and future usage is completely uncertain at this point. His previous season's rate was 1.1 shots per game, which is probably much more reasonable than the top 40 rate his two shots in a single game state and would cut his projected goals in half.

 

Conclusions:

While none of the Canadiens look to score like a superstar this year (although both Pacioretty and Subban's shot production are among the games elite for their position) Montreal looks to be a good offensive team if they keep up their current shot pace. Five to six players have a good chance at scoring 20 goals and it is likely that Montreal will have at least 1 30 goal man, which is the kind of goal production from a team's top 6 which you would expect to get on a team with a strong offensive core.

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Are P.K. Subban and Max Pacioretty poised to be elite scorers at their position?
Yes, the 2007 draft was awesome. All hail Trevor Timmons.
133 votes
Pacioretty is, but Subban isn't playing the right way.
32 votes
Subban is the next elite offensive defenseman but Pacioretty is merely on a hot streak.
6 votes
You and your stats are homers that over-rate Montreal's youngsters.
25 votes

196 votes | Poll has closed

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Hm.

Pacioretty should net 30 goals this season; he currently can’t buy a goal on the PP, but the ES scoring is coming around nicely.

It’s somewhat sad that Cole has basically nothing to show for the massive rampage he’s been on over the last 6-7 games, but them’s the breaks.

AKost is converting, but the shot volume just isn’t impressive. Ditto for Gionta, but your take on the Gio/Gomez synergy is an important one, Gomez’s shot rate has gone trough the floor since he joined the habs (from taking 30% of his team’s ES SOG in his last season with the rangers to below 20% last year with the habs) and playing the uphill battle with Pleks is never good for offense.

Cammalleri’s shot production is interesting; the question for him, as always, is health.

Eller’s shot rate sucks, but he’s actually one of the forwards taking the most scoring chances at ES this season, so there… Dunno, may be the result of his early stint with Plekanec.

Pleks is his usual self.

So, all in all, that’s 6 20 goals scorers (Cole, Pacioretty, AKost, Cammalleri, Gionta, Plekanec) with Eller on the outside looking in. Of those 6, I think Pacioretty is a lock for 30+ and Cole probably is too. Gionta had a nice start %-wise so you have to count him in too. If Cammalleri is healthy, he’ll challenge the 30 goals mark too. AKost? Who knows, but it’ll be a percentage-fueled run if he does. He doesn’t get enough shots at ES and isn’t used enough on the PP to compensate.

A pretty deep group, indeed.

People shouldn’t freak out with Subban: his shots are mostly point shots, which are almost never going in but it’s a strategical choice. The Habs D are shooting a lot more often this year, putting pucks on the net from the blue line. Subban is simply going along with the program.

Gee, Jorges has 8 points? The wonders of a tonne of icetime with top-6 players and Subban, eh?

by Olivier on Nov 13, 2011 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve been burned before on saying someone is a lock for anything. Strong probability is as far as I’ll go.

Gorges gets way more time and space with the opposition keying in on Subban. Look at the moments he got those assists and you often see him as a man out in the open without a checker.

The last two seasons Gionta’s shots and goals has been the beneficiary of the “Gomez effect” which has kept his point totals steady but ballooned shots on net and goals towards the net towards the high ends of the league.

Eller’s not going to get gaudy point totals unless he gets PP time. 30 ES points would be a great accomplishment anyway.

by Stephan Cooper on Nov 13, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Eller at this point is in a no-win situation as far as points go. He’s doing a hard job with (usually) untalented linemates. I’m curious to see if they reunite the Moen – Eller – Kostitsyn line when AK is healthy or if Cammalleri sticks with Eller. At some point with out ineffective Desharnais has been you have to think Eller has earned some second unit PP time, I’m sure he could stand in front of the net as well as Darche.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Nov 13, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

On the bright side his current usage suppresses the value of his next contract without making him a non-contributor.

by Roke on Nov 13, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve actually been thinking that as well and loving it. At this rate he’s a top 6 player who won’t get over 2M/year in arbitration, although he’s not arb eligible yet.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Nov 13, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It also seems they’re making signing Kostitsyn easier with minimal powerplay time.

by Stephan Cooper on Nov 13, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a dangerous game though, if he’s not happy with getting no PP time he’s free to go to another team.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Nov 13, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s an intentional move in either case, just a happy benefit. Kostitsyn and Eller not playing on the PP allowed Martin to come back with a strong even-strength line that is rested.

by Roke on Nov 13, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That’s why I figured they were both being kept off the PP. But with Gomez back Desharnais could use some sitting time as well.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Nov 13, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The pole seems to indicate you did a convincing job, Stephan!

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by Andrew Berkshire on Nov 13, 2011 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

I’m surprised Subban has more doubters than Pacioretty.

by Stephan Cooper on Nov 13, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably the sophomore slump narrative again. A lot of media stories about how he’s not playing well.

by MathMan on Nov 13, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Guaranteed that’s what it is.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Nov 13, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I was half asleep last night and didn’t switch channels when L’antichambre started. I realized how complete the vicious circle was. Not only are they creating the narrative, they’re proving it to each other with data.

They can say Subban is having a bad year and illustrate it with one cherry-picked play out of a whole game. If he was scoring goals on the powerplay, I’d be very surprised if they picked apart his play like that.

Same thing with Gomez. They show how useless of a player he is by choosing one sequence where he played badly last night it was Weber’s goal. Is it just me or do you cut a guy some slack on defensive positioning when he’s back from a 9-games injury and not playing his usual position? I get that he was bad, but if they’re analysts, shouldn’t they at least mention it as a probable cause for the mistake?

In a game like hockey, it’s easy to choose a point of view and then look for arguments for it, all players make good and bad plays every game.

by Simon Lamarche on Nov 13, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Amusing idea, video montage of plays making Crosby look like a scrub.

by Stephan Cooper on Nov 13, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be a funny illustration. Put together every mistake of Crosby’s you can find, conclude that he sucks. See how many people agree.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Nov 14, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Just do that with Desharnais, actually.

Anyroads. What burns me is that Weber’s was a perfect shot from a baaad angle, any “coach” worth his salt knows this isn’t a good spot to take a shot. Hell, Weber obviously blasted a shot only to go back on defense. Half an inch wider and the puck caroms along the boards and Weber is stuck behind the play.

But oh, Gomez sucks.

by Olivier on Nov 14, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually said exactly that on HIO this morning and people acted like it was blasphemy. 9/10 times Weber either misses the net or shoots that off Budaj’s pads or into his glove.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Nov 14, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be a 10% shooting percentage.

Make that 95 out of 100 times, because we account for the fact that Weber is a very skilled shooter. If I’m not misreading that chart from Gabriel (harking back to 2009), that area is a pretty cold spot.

http://behindthenet.ca/blog/2009/07/shooting-percentage-estimation-errors.html

by Olivier on Nov 14, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

It is probably around 1%. Shorthanded it is probably less than 1%.

It was an unlikely goal, hard to place the blame on any player on the ice. I was frustrated watching that perfect shot go in, but felt much better after MaxPac returned the favour from an equally unlikely scoring spot with a perfect shot.

by Chris Boyle on Nov 14, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Poll! Sorry andrew, I couldn’t help myself, it bothered me (and made me think of Montreal Strip Club).

Montreal Canadiens///Toronto Blue Jays///Baltimore Ravens

by rsty on Nov 14, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

HA! Touche rsty! I’m used to saying pole for another reason that I won’t say publicly.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Nov 14, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So Eller produces twice as many shots as Desharnais, despite stiffer competition and no PP time. Why is there even a debate about who’s better?

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by Andrew Berkshire on Nov 13, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Because DD gets points, and for the vast majority of fans it’s the only criteria they use to evaluate forwards.

by MathMan on Nov 13, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately true. I actually read someone saying, in all seriousness, that Blunden brings more to the team than Gomez. Facepalm of epic proportions on that one. First game all year our 4th line has been driving the play and obviously that means Gomez sucks.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Nov 13, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

For those who care about the farm team, here are the shot numbers thus far. Shots per game / Goals Scored

Willsie: 3.71 / 2
Leblanc: 3.00 / 2
Palushaj: 2.86 / 1

Dumont: 2.00 / 1
Avstin: 1.79 / 1
Fortier: 1.78 / 3

Blunden: 1.67 / 0
Desimone: 1.64 / 3
Engqvist: 1.53 / 3

Berger: 1.38 / 0
Conboy: 1.3 / 1
Naatinen: 1.2 / 1

As a team it looks like they’re shooting blanks this past while.

Leblanc’s tremendous shot production from his time in Junior continues. Pretty good chance he’ll end up having a solid year.

by Stephan Cooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

Addendum on Leblanc. If he can manage a scorer’s shooting percentage (12%) that’s a 30 goals in 82 games shot production rate.

by Stephan Cooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Nattinen scored his second goal today as well.

I’m a little disappointed with Berger’s shot production but I’m guessing it’ll get better as the season progresses. Hamilton is shooting blanks for sure, but they’re also not as good as they have been the last few years. Too many graduates.

As we’ve discussed a few times, they would greatly benefit from Diaz.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Nov 13, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t think Berger would be all that good to start. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t an exceedingly dominant player in junior so I figured he’d be more of a long term project.

For comparison sake lets look at the rates from notable AHL prospects last year.

Max Pacioretty: 4.89 (he was destroying that league)
Kyle Palmieri: 3.50
Nigel Dawes: 3.20
Luke Adam: 2.91
Bobby Butler: 2.89
Zac Dalpe: 2.79
Zack Boychuk: 2.77
Adam Henrique: 2.58
Sergei Shirokov: 2.38
Aaron Palushaj: 2.35
Tomas Tatar: 2.32
David Desharnais: 2.00

I’m not sure if Leblanc can continue to outpace Adam this entire season but its a very promising start.

by Stephan Cooper on Nov 13, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That really puts Leblanc in good company.

The reason why I expected a bit more of Berger is because he’s older, and the way he plays is perfect for garbage goals.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Nov 13, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I answered option 1 in the spirit of option 4.

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by Bruce Peter on Nov 13, 2011 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

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