Knowing the Enemy: The Maple Leafs in 2011-12
We haven't done a lot of coverage on our opponents on this site recently, and we completely ignored the Toronto Maple Leafs in our season preview podcast. Most of the attention in the Northeast Division is on the defending Stanley Cup.... ugh, I can't say it, the fricking Bruins, as well as the suddenly wealthy Buffalo Sabres. The staff here at Eyes on the Prize thinks that the Canadiens are at least the equal of those teams, and we think last season's results coupled with offseason moves and projections confirm that. The talk of potential playoff spots for the division has to start with these three teams, but in the course of a full season, things change. And one of the Eastern Conference's darkhorse teams are the Canadiens' first opponent of the new season, the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Yes, it's been a tough ride for Leafs Nation post-lockout: one of the teams that spent the most money seemed completely side-tracked by the sudden need for fiscal restraint, and relied on players well past their prime and with injury histories that rivaled Herodotus in terms of both length and years covered. Remember Jason Allison? Eric Lindros? Ed Belfour? Michael Peca? Yeah, those were the post-lockout Leafs. And once those guys were gone, things actually got worse for the team, as the brilliantly incompetent Jean Ferguson, Jr. spent the suddenly limited amount of resources the Leafs had on even worse pursuits, jettisoning good assets into terrible goaltending (Andrew Raycroft, Vesa Toskala).
We're all well aware of the Leafs' shortcomings. The media coverage of the Maple Leafs in this time frame has stayed at the constant, over-the-top level. Sometimes, it actually makes you feel for their fans, particularly the ones brave enough to blog about the team's every move. It has gotten so bad over the years that the schadenfreude has just given way to near pity, but mainly annoyance at the attention the team still gets. The obsession of the Leafs is so strong that our 'national' media, based entirely in southern Ontario, generally still sees the rest of the hockey world through the Leafs' failure. The Canadiens relative success in recent years is generally dismissed as some combination of goaltending and luck by English Canadian media (and generally berated), while media based in the United States tends to give a more positive spin on the Canadiens when they actually bother to write about them. The frustration of the Leafs fan creeps into the analysis of the Canadiens nationally.
But that's a different story. As of right now, the Maple Leafs and Canadiens are tied in the standings: 0-0-0-0 with 0 ROWs (we seriously need to simplify the standings). The 2011-12 Maple Leafs are the design of Brian Burke, AKA The Brilliant Blowhard/Magnificent Masshole, a man who has been telling us constantly how much he's needed to change about the Leafs. Here are some surprising things about this current edition after the jump:
1. The Leafs Aren't Old Anymore
A quick look at the Leafs roster shows that Brian Burke has gotten rid of the old farts who used to consistently make the Leafs the preferred pre-retirement gig of guys who last made the All-Star team five years prior. Not a single player on the current Leafs was born in the 1970s (or 1950s or 1960s for that matter). That means the oldest current player is Jean-Michael Liles, who turns 31 in November. Before the lockout, 31 was the year players finally became unrestricted free agents, which was when the Leafs would finally think a player was ready to join their team. I haven't checked it out officially with all the new rosters, but I'd wager that the Leafs are the youngest team in the NHL.
2. The Leafs Aren't Slow Anymore
While Brian Burke boasted upon his arrival of adding 'pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and beligernace,' the real life Leafs don't really resemble that at all. The team does have some tougher players that can hurt you, but the way this team will be winning games will largely be through speed, passing, and a lot of help from their goaltender. The team added Matthew Lombardi, Tim Connolly, Jean-Michael Liles, and Cody Franson this offseason from other NHL teams. To go with these players, rookies like Jake Gardiner and Matt Frattin are more known for their speed and skill than calculated aggression. Gardiner's speed is considered Niedermeyer like (and he's 6'2", so his stride is long as well), while Lombardi has long been considered one of the fastest, if not the fastest skater in the league. This adds to other speedy players that Burke has acquired or inherited like Phil Kessel, Mikhail Grabovski, Nikolai Kulemin and Clarke MacArthur. The new Leafs are going to be one of the best skating teams in the NHL, a lesson they finally have learned in the 7th year of the 'new NHL'.
3. The Leafs Don't Need to Rush Their High Picks Anymore
Nazem Kadri is a pretty skilled young player, and as one of a few skilled youngsters the Leafs have drafted high over the past few decades he's gotten a lot of attention. Today's his 21st birthday, and he's already accomplished a lot: starring in the OHL, starring for Team Canada, and putting up nearly a point per game as an AHL rookie while appearing in 30 NHL games already. And he won't be making the Leafs even when he returns from injury. While this might be disappointing for Nazem personally, it's good news for the Leafs as a whole. The team rushed Luke Schenn into the lineup for no plausible reason except that the rest of the Leafs' defence was terrible, and the team put an undrafted Tyler Bozak as Phil Kessel's centre immediately to lacklustre results. Bozak is still around, but as the team's #3 centre at best (he looks to be on the outside of the team when healthy), and guys like Kadri can learn the finer points of the professional game in the AHL. Yes, Gardiner is in the NHL, but he took a spot of Keith Aulie, a player who likely would have been rushed in as a regular if this was 2009-10.
The Leafs still have issues: they are relying on unproven goaltending, and we all know that the second year is generally a lot tougher for goaltenders than the first. Jonas Gustavsson might finally have to show some improvement as James Reimer deals with a second go around of the world's top players, coaches, and teams. The team still employs terrible players like Jay Rosehill and Colton Orr. Mike Komisarek still doesn't have Andrei Markov as his defence partner. The team still has to prove they can kill a penalty with regularity. Ron Wilson is on the hot seat and he tends to wear on his players, so any sign of trouble could be seen as an excuse to quit on him. And Tim Connolly is already hurt. There's a lot of question marks, and its why I haven't pencilled in a playoff spot for the Leafs come spring. But they can make it there, which is a lot more than can be said about any team since Burke took over.
He hasn't gone about the rebuild in a normal way (trading his first rounders), and he hasn't gone about it in the way he said he would (placing speed as his top priority over pugnacity), but three years in the Leafs are no longer a complete mess and embarassment. This team is built to last the rigors of an 82 game season, and built to improve with each passing year as the core gets more experience.
That being said, the Habs are still better. So I can eloquantly, and accurately conclude: "Leafs Suck".
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"Carey, what do you think is going to be the toughest part of tonight?"
“Getting all the way from the ACC to the nearest highschool. Thats like a 20 minute walk!”
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by BCapp on Oct 6, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
It really feels like 93! just like 2011, and 2010, and 2009….
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by elseldo on Oct 6, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Make sure to spare the strip clubs when y’all riot down Sainte-Catherine Street
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by elseldo on Oct 6, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
It just wouldn’t be opening night without the PPP hordes crapping on another team’s blog!
Go Leafs Go~!
Now, "wait 'till next year" looks like "Watch out for next year!" GO LEAFS GO!
by AB_Positive on Oct 6, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
well if there were any habs fans here it would be a fair fight.
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by elseldo on Oct 6, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is the reason I grew up hating the Leafs even though I am a Torontonian
What a bunch of losers.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 6, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Wah wah wah
Leafs fans made me feel bad on the Internet until I cried and pee’d myself!
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by AM18 on Oct 6, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I’d give you a hug but if you’re anything like your team I might hurt my back bending down
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 6, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
C’mon you can’t be more creative than that?
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by BCapp on Oct 6, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
GO LEAFS GO!
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by Bower Power on Oct 6, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow, short jokes. How novel!
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I’d try to make them longer, but I don’t think the Habs can reach them.
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by Frag on Oct 6, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
PPP
Taking Habs jokes to new (out of reach) heights
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 6, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
wait if we’re talking about the Habs shouldn’t it be a novella?
BAM!
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by elseldo on Oct 6, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
What, you haven’t heard these before? Maybe if we stopped talking over you.
by Learn2Leaf on Oct 6, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hey Bruce, you have to understand, they have to make jokes about being taller. Seeing as they can’t rightly do them about being better. ;)
These jokes certainly flew over your head.
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by Frag on Oct 6, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, it is pretty hard to make a joke about how the Habs scored more goals than the Leafs last year.
by Learn2Leaf on Oct 6, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
What’s always endlessly amusing to me is how the people gravitating around the Leafs feel that they must validate themselves by comparison with the Habs, and have been more or less implying that the teams are really roughly equivalent in talent and should expect similar results.
Yet somehow, the closest the Leafs have been to the Habs in 4 season was 7 wins below. Mind you, that’s something that might change this season, but the reality is that the teams just haven’t been particularly close for a while.
And the Habs’ talent level is still significantly higher than the Leafs’ for 2010-2011.
And the Habs’ talent level is still significantly higher than the Leafs’ for 2010-2011.
It must be a riddle
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 6, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
And the Habs’ talent level is still significantly higher than the Leafs’ for 2010-2011.
Somehow, I doubt that.
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by Frag on Oct 6, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
He must mean higher in the other term. Maybe those weren’t cigarettes Carey Price was smoking…
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by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 6, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Montreal hasn’t won a season series against Toronto since the lockout. Worth noting.
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by Chemmy on Oct 6, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I can’t say I truly hate everything about the Habs. I’m really excited to see Budaj play tonight.
by Learn2Leaf on Oct 6, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
are we saying nice things now?
well..um….they’re not the Sens.
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by elseldo on Oct 6, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think he means we’re going to chase Smokey McFornicate out of the net
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 6, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How many games until Habs Fans turn on Price? They did it in the preseason last year after all. Real classy fans.
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by BCapp on Oct 6, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
The Leaf Fan's Lament
The Leaf’s suck, that’s a fact.
Fans carry on as though this season"they’ll be back!"
But ownership doesn’t really care, whether they make it to the cup or not,
as long as the ‘suckers’ keep buying tickets,
and continue singing the team’s praises,
and as long as there are corporate sponsors
It will always be the same.
That is really friggin’ funny -because it true!!!!
by Dr Scooby on Oct 6, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey look someone pasted a bunch of statements he made on TSN message boards into one comment, how adorable
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 6, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’m confused. Are you saying Montreal doesn’t have any corporate sponsors?
by Learn2Leaf on Oct 6, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
the Bell Centre is just honouring Alexander Graham Bell. the Molson Ex zone is where all Geoff Molsons Ex’s sit. the Saputo Family Zone is where all the mafia members sit.
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by elseldo on Oct 6, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
But ownership doesn’t really care, whether they make it to the cup or not,
What on Earth do you base this one? Spending to the cap? Having the most expensive front office in the league? Having one of the top 3 most expensive scouting departments? Having top of the line training equipment and staff?
as long as the ‘suckers’ keep buying tickets,
It has been shown (I don’t have the evidence here, but I am sure Chemmy or SkinnyFish would be happy to provide it) that Habs fans by as many tickets as Leafs fans when they are losing… Its a fallacy that habs are any “better”. Habs fans just walk out (nice support their) on their team AFTER they’ve bought the ticket.
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by BCapp on Oct 6, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
…..YEAH!
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by elseldo on Oct 6, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Also, teams that have fans who don’t buy tickets are bought by the NHL or move to Winnipeg. Hmmmm… terrible thing that, supporting your team.
by Learn2Leaf on Oct 6, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Found it
Habs fans buy tickets when there team is losing as much as Leafs fans do…
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by BCapp on Oct 6, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m new at this so, here goes: umm.. habs, you don’t play very good!
(was the exclamation point a bit much there at the end?)
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 6, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Good attempt kind sir
I’m new at this so, here goes: umm.. habs, you don’t play verygoodwell!
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by BCapp on Oct 6, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The grammar error was on purpose, it’s a quote, I believe from D2 where the black hockey player is trying to teach the Asian hockey player how to trash talk (how stereotypical, I know).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 6, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sickest burn here! 10/10 would read again!
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 6, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
‘If you can’t beat em in the blogs, you can’t beat em on the ice.’
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Oct 6, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Aright guys, let’s go easy on them or else they’ll call 911 and tie up the lines.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 6, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
This was your ‘A’ material?
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I wasn’t making a joke.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 6, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
You know, for people who wanted me to provide math. ;) I was looking at the spreadsheet linked from a site Leafs fan here might recognize: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/10/15/1751273/sizing-up-the-nhl-by-height-weight-and-age
And I noticed a couple of interesting tidbits:
Montreal: average height 73", average weight 205.48 lbs
Toronto: average height 72.82", average weight 204.91 lbs
So yeah, I’ll understand if the irony of you guys making short jokes goes over your head. It might be a little too heavy for you. :D
The Montreal Canadiens forwards are in fact the shortest in the league averaging just under 6’ tall. (71.85")
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by Frag on Oct 6, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He probably misses his old glasses.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 6, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
BAM
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Oct 6, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Worth noting
That’s also before Burke went out and picked up every 6’5 player in the league
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 6, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You must have missed this part: The Montreal Canadiens forwards are in fact the shortest in the league averaging just under 6’ tall. (71.85")
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 6, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
POW
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Oct 6, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So you can make short jokes because the Habs forwards are shorter than the Leafs and we can make short jokes because the Leafs in general are shorter than the Habs?
Convenient.
No because that was a year ago.
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by BCapp on Oct 6, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Leafs players under 6 feet tall: 4 (all of which are either 5’10 or 5’11)
Habs players under 6 feet tall: 7 (3 of which are under 5’10 2 of which are 5’7)
So, no.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 6, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Meh. Montreal has the tallest guy on either club. And 7 forwards who are 6’2" compared to the Leafs’… one.
Having half of them 5’10 or under kind of balances it out though, especially since your tall guys are mostly bottom sixers
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 6, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The one guy who is 5’11 Grab..something on the Leafs, he’s pretty good right?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 6, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, imagine, the team that was good kept their good players.
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Just not good enough in the category that matters… the one that helps them reach the cookie jar
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 6, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So that’s the Leafs’ goal this year?
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What? You don’t like cookies?
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by Frag on Oct 6, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If the Habs miraculously won the cup this year
Would Brian Gionta’s arms be wide enough to grab both ends?
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 6, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He’s done it before.
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Yeah, so has Lebda.
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by Frag on Oct 6, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
?
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The worst defenceman in hockey who scored his only goal last year on a Habs goaltender.
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by Frag on Oct 6, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
and resulted in said goalie being pulled from the game
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by kudzupo on Oct 6, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Who has what to do with Brian Gionta lifting the Stanley Cup?
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Everything.
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by Frag on Oct 6, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
There we go, can’t let this go along as the only pro-Leaf comment un-r’ecd
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 6, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You could accuse me of cherry picking stats, and I would accuse you of going for the low hanging fruit.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 6, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And 7 forwards who are 6’2" compared to the Leafs’… one.
The Leafs have one 6’2" forward, but 3 forwards who are taller than 6’2". Seems a very obscure point for you to make…
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by BCapp on Oct 6, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I did the math
Based on the rosters found on the two team websites (canadiens.nhl.com and mapleleafs.nhl.com (Crabb was removed because he has been sent down). Here is a link to the data
The Leafs have an average height of 73.36" and the Habs 72.52. So you are shorter.
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by BCapp on Oct 6, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
POW
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by Frag on Oct 6, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good work, I bow to your updated data.
That’s still not making me want to trade away Gionta or DD. :P
Thank you kind sir. Gathering hockey data is always more fun than studying.
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