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On Sunday I noted that I was rather impressed with what NHL VP Brendan Shanahan has been doing of late, though questioning how receptive players and the league will be to what appeared to be a zero-tolerance level of discipline.

So today many of us, and pretty much every MSM hockey expert out there, was waiting for Sheriff Shanny to lay the hammer down on Tampa Bay Lightning forward Ryan Malone.

Many of us were shocked when we learned, through NHL insider Nick Kypreos, that no further action would be taken for Malone's hit on Chris Campoli.

It was confirmed later in the afternoon with a statement from Shanahan.

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"We felt that this hit was the most challenging one so far in this preseason for the Department of Player Safety to evaluate," said Shanahan. "In the end, we felt that Malone had committed to the hit when Campoli was upright. However, when the contact was made, Campoli's head position significantly changed just prior to the hit.

"There are elements about the hit that we don't like – specifically, the principal point of contact being the head and that it was not a full-body check. But the overriding factor in our judgment was that Campoli's loss of the puck and subsequent bending forward for it just prior contributed significantly, if not entirely, to those elements." - Brendan Shanahan 10/03/2011

Shanahan has also released a video explanation of his findings, which was something he did say he would demonstrate to show is considered a legal hit going forward. Still the hit of The Toronto Maple Leafs Clarke MacArthur, was a very similar hit.

 

Now..for the conspiracy theorists

Remind me again how many years Shanahan and Lightning GM Steve Yzerman were teammates?

Is Shanahan related to the Campbell name somewhere down the line?

I guess it's just another problem for Habs fans to deal with, as was the case with the Zdeno Chara hit on Max Pacioretty, and Andrew Ference trying to decapitate Jeff Halpern.

We'll just file this under H; not for Habs grievances, but as a hockey play...because that's how the league is looking at it.

Many of the regular EOTP crew have weighed in on the decision earlier in the previous mentioned article, but feel free to voice your thoughts.

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Well here we go again! Another classic example of transparency; hope Shanahan can explain this one with a straight face. He has already lost the room!

by SeriousHabit on Oct 3, 2011 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think it’s necessary to go into the conspiracy realm yet. It’s disappointing that this is how it went but the logic is understandable.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Oct 3, 2011 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I imagine Boston fans could feel the same way with Bergeron not supposed to turn his back or Savard needing to keep his head up. Granted, the team got away with more than one transgression in the past year.

As MathMan said, probably just luck of the draw. Or incompetence. If this is just a blip from Shanahan and not a return to Campbell-era discipline I’ll be less annoyed at the non-suspension.

by Roke on Oct 3, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically my thought process as well.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Oct 3, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bruins saw that Colin was wildly incompetent so got Greg. Sorry that your GM didn’t absolutely plunder Florida like that.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 4, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Conspiracy Realm

Conspiracies aside; were not Shanahan and the current GM of Tampa ex- team mates?

Sorry I find the explanation for the non suspension lame (as I found Chara’s) especially considering the McArthur suspension. I want to think otherwise; but I find his train of logic lacking on this one.

by SeriousHabit on Oct 4, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Video’s out:

My opinion? That’s a very stretchy definition of “just prior”. Nevermind that the rule says “immediately prior”.

It certainly makes for a convenient loophole, should you need to backslide from your previous stance or at least give the dinosaurs a token non-suspendable hit.

by MathMan on Oct 3, 2011 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

The point they highlighted when Malone “committed” to the hit is a lot further apart than I’m comfortable with.

by Roke on Oct 3, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, my facetious thought was, “if you commit to a hit from this distance and can’t abort, then if you don’t suspend for a headshot, you suspend for charging”. :)

by MathMan on Oct 3, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Ignoring the horrible grammar, it looks like they were 20-25 feet apart to me guessing using rink and circle dimensions.

A similar distance on say, a hit from behind, would be 11 feet or so (i.e. the icing line) when the receiving player at the end-boards turns his back to the hitter.

Coincidentally and completely unrelated, Pacioretty hit the stanchion about 25 feet after he had last touched the puck.

by Roke on Oct 3, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t help but notice too that Malone committed to getting his elbow up “just prior” to contact. That’s what he should have looked at.

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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Oct 3, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn’t a good call, but it’s all on video with a clear attempt to explain rationally.

I say that’s reason enough to let it go. So Shanahan has drawn the line. It’s muddy, not very well drawn, but it’s a line. And I’m fine wit this.

What I’m looking forward to is, will the line start creeping away every month that goes by come december? It has, ever december since the lockout and it has never been drawn fully back come september of the next season.

This two steps backward one step forward tango is what led us to Pacioretty almost dying on the ice with the league calling it a hockey play, with Don Cherry arguing this was fine because it happened before. That’s the vicious circle the league, trough Shanahan, has to break. If it means the gray area surrounding the line is where Malone and Campoli collided, fine, we have to start somewhere. We are miles and miles away from what Dryden wrote about, but we have to give it time, I think.

But yeah, the dirty oaf did jump Campoli.

by Olivier on Oct 4, 2011 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Nevermind what happens in December. We’re already backsliding and the season isn’t even started yet. This isn’t exactly encouraging for the rest of the way.

by MathMan on Oct 4, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is a conspiracy because shanny played with TB gm yzerman!! Yeah this isn’t good LOL

by Todd1981 on Oct 4, 2011 1:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t buy the Yzerman thing or conspiracy, but it is irritating that I have to read about the player placing himself in a vulnerable position.

This league is all over the place in regards to accountability and their loosely worded trap doors. They pull the chute at their discretion.

I know we can’t compare Shanahan’s finding to anything Campbell ruled on, but it seems to me they loosely interpret things to their choosing.

….In determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstance of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit…can be considered.

They ignored this in their Kostopolous ruling on Van Ryn. Van Ryn puts himself in a vulnerable position? Irrelevant. Intent? irrelevant. Suspension? Yes. Responsibility for ones actions.

They have Malone committing to the hit at the faceoff dot when Campoli is two feet over the goal line. He continues on the same path for fifteen feet and Campoli drops his head about 7-8 feet away.

Let’s use the logic from the Pacioretty hit. If this hit was to occur in a different part of the rink (rolling eyes), how would it change the result? What if Campoli was behind the net fighting for the puck, would it be acceptable for Malone to commit to the hit from 15 feet? If Campoli turned his back when Malone was 8 feet away, would Malone have zero responsibility?

This whole thing is nonsense. Penalize the player for his responsibility, don’t cloud the issue with intent or place the onus on Campoli for putting himself in a vulnerable position.

As long as they maintain this trap door, there will be no consistency. Headshot=suspension. Simple as that. I am tired of a league that gives Plekanec two games for a slew foot, but throws it’s hands in the air when a guy takes a direct headshot.

Stupid.

by Chris Boyle on Oct 4, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder whats going to happen on opening night, as far as cheap shots go. Rosehill, Orr, Brown, and Armstrong will have a field day, now that Josh Georges is the habs newest enforcer.

by bolder on Oct 4, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Matt Cooke is going to have a field day with Boston only having Zdeno Chara, Milan Lucic, and Shawn Thornton as their enforcers. Savard, Bergeron, and Krejci will have nothing to worry about.

by Roke on Oct 4, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Ya, then the next time they played each other Thornton gave Cooke a beating! The next time we face Tampa who’s going to take care of Malone? Oh ya we have to beat them on the score board, only.

by bolder on Oct 5, 2011 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m more interested in seeing the Habs try to win games than get some short-term “retribution” to make me feel better.

Having Malone turn down an opportunity to fight a goon (since he would have to agree to the fight unless the Habs want to throw the game entirely with 7 minutes shorthanded) will probably not deter him from making similar plays in the future.

by Roke on Oct 5, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Every hab fan is interested in the team winning games. Its not about feeling better, its about equally out the playing field, for the league has failed once again. I wonder how MaxPac would feel, if something simular would happen to Chara in return? Seemed like the Bruin’s had no trouble winning games, including the cup.

by bolder on Oct 5, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

They don’t seem to be all that good at preventing their important guys from being concussed by headshots either. See: Savard, Bergeron, Krejci…

by MathMan on Oct 5, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Horton, too. Also, I’ve seen Thomas get dinged up pretty good a couple of times, just hasn’t been hurt.

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by Bruce Peter on Oct 5, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seems to be an accepted assumption that more liberties are taken with Montreal than the league average — or even pretty much any other team.

I’m not convinced at all that this is actually the case. It’s just accepted on faith, largely based on the reputation of the Habs, I think.

by MathMan on Oct 5, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

No team can protect their important players from a predator looking to take someone out.
The difference is, teams like the Bruin’s have no problem at returning the favor, without hurting their overall goal of trying to win the cup. Thats the point.

by bolder on Oct 5, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So they have the ability to do something morally abhorrent that doesn’t have the ability to help them win, just doesn’t prevent them from doing so?

by Stephan Cooper on Oct 5, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

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