Getting to the Heart of the Carey Price Perceptions
A story making the rounds just after the Olympic break had Habs goaltender Carey Price informing a few close teammates that come the summer of 2010 he would no longer be a Montreal Canadien. The tale, whispered to, and told by the often unreliable Rejean Tremblay of La Presse, indeed had legs, in that other Canadien players later confirmed that Price spoke of strong suspicions he would be dealt.
All this, of course, came well before Price's return to good citizenry among his teammates and prior to the ascendence of playoff hero Jaroslav Halak, which then makes the latter's trading, in hindsight, all the more puzzling.
Were Price's feelings simply vibes, or was there a stronger current.
It may matter little today, but one side of things not often theorized is that Halak was traded because of a higher return.
Price may know something of this, but will never tell. But it does beg the question that if he indeed was informed that he would be moving in the off season, and then was not dealt because his currency had dropped, how will that play in his psyche and his confidence.
Everyone loves a goalie with something to prove, but in this instance, we are speaking of a goalie who has been put through the grinder a time or two and is now in many eyes, being handed the number one role a second time, with nowhere near unaminous support behind him.
One thing in all this is certain, and that is that the Canadiens have faith in Price, otherwise a move so suicidal in the eyes of others is unthinkable.
Some fans and media may feel Price has unjustifiably been annointed the starter's job for a second time, but that is casting aside all that Price is, all that he's accomplished by age 22, and all the potential yet unrealized.
The critiques have a certain merit, in terms of comparisions to Halak, who truly compromised Price's Montreal existence the past two seasons. But often fans get swept up in surface comparables, negating the team effect and its influence on situations. What often occurs in Montreal, is that one goalie is placed detrimentally against the other, almost as though a loser is required to be found and judged. Habs fans eating their young, is hardly a new phenomenon.
Much of the wrath directed at Price, has also been directed at former GM Gainey for sticking with him. What many miss out on, is that Gainey might be well the perfect guy to judge whether a young goalie had the goods or not. Aside from Ed Belfour of the Dallas Stars in 1999, Gainey has known four goalies fitting similar career templates to Price and Halak.
Gainey joined the Canadiens in 1974, when they were backstopped by Ken Dryden, former overnight sensation, seemingly. The studious Gainey surely scoped the studious Dryden, who psyche wise, if you've ever read "The Game", was as fragile as cornflakes at times.
Between Dryden and Patrick Roy, Gainey played in front of journeyman the likes of Bunny Larocque, Denis Herron, Rick Wamsley and Richard Sevigny, who all, at different times, where made to look regular season fabulous by a strong Habs D corps.
Steve Penney, in 1984, was similar to Dryden, in that his element of surprise primed a hopeless team. That is of course, before his bottom fell out, unlike Dryden.
Then came Roy, who after a shaky regular season in 1985-86, displayed unexpected playoff veteran savvy in the clinch. A money goalie in the purest of terms, Roy also had his ditches and detours, but we remember the vintage wine, forgetting the cheese.
A few years after his playing career ended, Gainey found himself behind the Minnesota North Stars bench, placing his hopes that his defensive system could fortify the unheralded Jon Casey, who lead Minny to the 1991 Cup finals.
The half dozen or so goalies mentioned above comprise perhaps only half of the goalies Gainey has played with, coached or managed, but what Gainey has learned from them, eludes every onlooker.
It's not any similarity Gainey may see that aligns Dryden and Roy with Price, as we've mistook it ourselves in grand comparison. It is hardly that Penney, Casey and Halak have taken Gainey's teams some of the way, and not all.
It may or may not add up, that surprise elements wore off in all cases, but only in some was the magic recoverable.
Strength of team, of course, messes with all possible comparison and analysis.
What Gainey has taken from all these goalies, is that he has known them, not simply watching them in games or on TV as all us mortal stiffs have.
Gainey has lived by them, alonside them. He's known everything from their breakfast habits to how they spring back or don't after losses. He's known their fitness regimen, or how often they tilt elbows in bars. He's known their wives and girlfriends, kids and parents, while we dream of getting them to sign our hockey cards, pretending we know all about them. Gainey, and / or any and all members of an organization, know their personel acutely, way more than they can let on.
And he's known all of this better than we fans can ever dream of knowing.
As per Carey Price, it has often been rendered that the team has not properly groomed him professionally to exist in the city of Montreal, allowing him to live in certain ways, eat what he wishes and do what he damn well pleases.
Who knows if that's really and truly how it is. Maybe it isn't. Maybe Price has been tutored in every possible way and maybe he hasn't. Maybe he's refused good advice. Perhaps he's thought himself above it.
In the city of speculation, be wary of those who proclaim to know the truth.
There is an old adage, ironic and moronic - but very true, that history belongs to the most recent historian. Think about that for a minute, while perhaps reminiscing about one of your own moments of personal, embarrassing infamy.
Photos of Carey Price being a regular guy, having a drink, a smoke, jovially hamming it up, and posed with females, have been littered about the internet for a few seasons now.
By all exaggerated accounts, Price is a drunk, a two pack a day smoker who does not take his career seriously, and a womanizer.
If you have believed any of this, you are an idiot - point blank.
For a good time now, I've had readers sending in photos of Price of the ice, asking me to post them on site. The pics fit into the categories mentioned above, but the senders can never substantiate where they come from. My reply is always the same. "I want to publish these, because?"
The Price connundrum is nothing more than success and accolade coming to him too fast, well before true and lasting accomplishment. His rise was earned in part, but may have happened too fast. Keep in mind he is 22 years old.
Getting back to you now, put yourself in this guy's place. I had a friend who was a choir boy in church. He never smoked as a teen, never did as an adult. Drugs and alcohol were of no interest to him, and he never, ever swore. Clean cut as can be, he's an air traffic controller today. He has six kids.
As a kid himself back in the late 1970's, he was a shy sort, and he took a job as soon as he was able to work one. He was from a family whose parents had divorced, and at age fourteen, worked as a night store clerk to help his mother make ends meet. One time, he was called in for a Sunday midnight shift, staying up over 24 hours, and going to school Monday morning. Long story short, the kid's bladder, and his shyness I suppose, caused him to pee his pants by second class.
To this day, more than thirty years later, he's still known to many around here as "Piss Pants". The unfortunate incident happened to him exactly once, no pictures were taken of it, and there surely was no internet in the day or Facebook photos to commemorate the incident. Nevermind that he was an honour student, a tech whiz, with decent good looks, it is his moment of infamy that precedes him for many who recall him
Generally, that is a sad comment on folks who tend to think a certain way.
Today, give a rumour internet legs, and people no longer have the ability to decipher truth from speculation. It is as though common sense has been numbed and rendered cripple by the sensationalists who seek your attention for themselves.
The tons of gossip and rumour about Price off ice have never been substantialized. There have been incidences documented that have strains of truth, where teammates comments give credence to the story, and that is another thing altogether. The Markov incident, for example.
In Montreal, we all know, there is pressure to perform, and a pressure to win. The Canadiens glorious history condemns players to that fate. But with that, there must a pressure valve for players to have some release.
With pictures of himself all over the internet, should Carey Price be condemned into a hermit's life, because God forbit a newer photo of him simply existing off ice hit the web?
There is only so much adversity, lies, rumours and criticism one human being can handle. That explains the Price mock crowd salute of the 2009 playoffs. Price let every fan know that his heart and soul had been poisoned enough, after being placed on the trap door pedastal that is fame and stardom in Montreal.
Everyone, fans to media, need to cut this kid a yard of slack, and apply a sensible dose of understanding and compassion to his situation.
If Carey Price was your own son, would you constantly criticize him in the hope that he succeeds?
No?
Well, remember that he is playing for your favorite team, and that cheering him on, supporting him, and possibly trying to understand him a bit, just might make him better.
Do you, yourself, always rise up stronger, after repeated beatings down?
No matter what you do to put bread on the table, imagine for a second that you did it with millions watching, scrutinizing and judging your every move.
How would you perform?
Fans whose jocks are still knotted over the Halak trade, need to get over it. He might not be your preference, but Price is now the Canadiens goalie for the forseeable future. If it bugs you still, delve into the understanding of the NHL cap system and immerse yourself into a knowledge of true team concepts.
Still annoyed, place yourself in Carey Price's shoes, long and hard, and gain a semblance of what it must feel to be him on bad nights, and good ones.
If you are still baffled and depressed, consider how much less you know about hockey from having lived it, compared to Gainey and Pierre Gauthier.
Still believe you know more?
Of course you do. That is why 15 NHL teams are ringing your cell phone as you read this.
Carey Price - you loved him until he let you down, as he loved Montreal hockey until the fans let him down.
Give the kid a break, or join those hoping he fails in order to justify your senseless, media based, speculation based opinions.
Continuing, at this point, to give Price a rough ride, is akin to shooting yourself in the foot, not to mention your team's hopes.
Montreal fans should allow Price the space he needs to move forward and grow as a number one goalie.
Is there a sounder, more logical alternative?
Price has learned tons in the past three seasons, and is moving forward with the experiences.
So should everyone else.
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Toeing the line.
Let me begin by saying that I really hope for the best for the Habs with Price in goal full-time, but I have my doubts. OK…we get it, Price is here to stay and Halak isn’t; however, we don’t have to like it. We also get it- Bob Gainey is totally brilliant in hockey and has left more hockey knowledge swirling in the bowl than any of us brainless idiots that watch games, pay for tickets, and buy merchandise. Remember though, the decision to trade Halak wasn’t Gainey’s, so it’s not really relevant to tout Gainey’s knowledge on this one. Following, I don’t really care who or what Price does, as long as the team is bettered by him being the goalie and winning. The problem with that logic is that Price has not shown that he is capable of doing it, there has always had to be a safety net for him; moreover, when he does falter, we’re always told that he’s only 22, accomplished so much already, and he needs to grow. So, I would like to ask this, if he’s not ready (or been ready for the last couple of seasons) for the NHL, 1) why are all hopes riding on him?, 2) why wasn’t/hasn’t he been given time to “mature” in Hamilton?, and 3) WHY then are his “accomplishments” (which are far from being a free pass to winning games and getting your name on the Stanley Cup) continually touted to the fans? Let’s get one thing straight, being “supportive” doesn’t matter, coddling him doesn’t matter, “how would I feel if I was him” isn’t important: this is the NHL, staying on the fans’ good side is important, but only WINNING matters. Carey Price is (or should be) a professional and able to hold his own, but if he can’t, then he picked the wrong profession. (Just look at the number of big names still trying to be able to find a team where they can still “fit.”) Do you think Ovechkin, Crosby, or Malkin would be cut such slack if they played like third liners? If Gauthier and Gainey are as brilliant as you suggest, do you think they’ve also had the sense to put back enough funds to hire another emergency journeyman goaltender when and if Price chokes this year? What will the excuse be for the 2011-2012 season? “He’s only 23, still has to mature, maybe next year….”
Toeing the line
My friend , Gainey had everything to do with trading Halak Gauthier is a figure head.
I do have brains, not boasting, I just do and I have coached,refereed and played hockey from the tender age of ten in the hotbed city of hockey called Montreal.
Mark my words – Price is one hell of a goalie and will be the next netminder in Montreal to carry a cup.
If anyone analyzes the game and players instead of getting caught up with the words of scribes – then they would realize just how good Price is….
Great read!
I love these in depth articles on Montreal players who are always being scrutinized and so forth. It shows that you have a great appreciation for hockey and a good understanding of how it works, even though you jump the gun sometimes on their off-season moves. ;)
Nice work Robert!
Of course there is always those guys who will bring up the same damn arguments..and just change the wording even though it was all answered from above article. Get on board or get over it!
Good Job Robert
That is a terrific read, on the insights of things many forget to recognize. With todays cap system, difficult decisions need to be made. The team’s management believes in Price moving forward. If remember correctly I believe Price had over a 900 save % and under 2.50 goals against last season. Sure he let in some bad goals. Every goalie in this league lets in bad goals. Both goalies in this years finals let in some lousy goals, and neither one of them stood out. I also watched several times when Price played well, and the team in front of him failed to score enough goals! That was a sore point for the team as well …. You need to score goals to win! Whats the kid to do … Pitch a f***ing shutout every time he’s in goal! Price is part of the team going forward, and I’m sure he is feeling the pressure. We Hab fans should wish him and the rest of the team well.
Just one thing...
I agree with you Robert. I still believe Carey has what it takes to become a great goalie, and I hope he’ll do just that, with a habs sweater on of course
There’s just a part of your piece that does not completely convince me. That’s the part about Gainey knowing Price much better than we do. Of course, the GM (or former GM in his case) has far more access and info at his disposal to judge one of his players than any fan or journalist. But that doesn’t mean he’s always right. Knowing your players, their habits, their character and their family is obviously important, but all GMS are in that position, and it doesn’t prevent some of them to make bad trades or to misjudge some of their young guys.
I’m not saying Gainey was wrong in the case of Price. I just believe that the fact that Gainey has lived with his players is not enough to just assume he must be right.
That said, once again, I don’t think the Habs are in a terrible situation with Price in nets. I believe in this guy.
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It's Either All or Nothing...
Basically everything you said in the article is correct. Kudos for that. But in the end it does basically come down to a gambler’s roll of the dice by Gainey. For if Price fails this season I really don’t see Auld picking up the slack like Halak did last year. It will either be feast or famine for the Habs. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for a feast….
by Montcalm's Revenge on Jul 19, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
Ditto
I love coming here for a kick in the pants.
I also like getting the leeway to voice my un-educated perspective. We have seen a lot of lack luster goaltenders as Habs fans (Soetarte, Penny, Racicot, Tugnutt, Huet, Heyward, Theodore… etc) over the past number of years.
Its always the hot topic… though sometimes our lackluster defence should be the headline.
And as much as I like getting my ass handed to me when it comes to education on my beloved Habs, whether or not Gainey and the Organization are more well informed than any mere fan has no bearing on Price’s play. As stated somewhere, he should be a professional at this stage… 3 yrs into a NHL career (despite age).
My comments haven’t be directly about Price, or the possibility that he could put up huge numbers with a healthy and productive team in front of him. My comments have always been about the betterment of the team as a whole, and questions about why the team doesn’t seem to play with the same zeal in front of him. I don’t believe Auld will be a serviceable back-up….. not one that will jump in and be a game changer if Price and the Habs go into a 4-5 game funk, not one that will realize his child hood dream of making the Stanley Cup playoffs and winning, not one that can better us. And I fear, in all of this hoopla over losing Halak and Price again being #1, that the stated issue of salary cap as reason for the move, will only go to the way side when Price begins getting 3 million in #1 money. That to me shows there was less about not being able to sign 2 competent goalies and hoping one can pull out #1 status, then later shipping one for a guaranteed Top 6 Forward or top 4 Defence. It was always about not keeping Halak.
Sure it would have been tough to sign both, to have enough games for both… but they would have been driven with the understanding that one would be sent before season’s end.
Now we’ll see if Price is real, or like Gomez in the salary question.. getting while the getting is good? Or realist who sees his play as timultuous over the last couple of seasons and willing to play into a long term more money deal? I say he goes for the quick give it to me now.
3 mill 2 yrs…. Overpaid. But….. that being said… if he turns it up a notch and they manage a 3,4,5 spot by the end of the season…. it will have turned out to be a steal.
Lets see what Price has to offer…. he’ll still be THE TOPIC for the Habs in 2010/11….. no change there…. but 22 and thousands of GMs in the stands will be the same as it has been for him, now its time for him to mock the crowds by putting up the numbers he is so able to get…. 45 wins would do it.
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Jul 19, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions
45 wins?
Martin Brodeur has started 70+ games 12 times in his career and he has broken the 45 win mark ONCE. The record for wins in a season is 48, so 45 wins is not a realistic goal.
Price could improve this season and be a borderline All-Star and still get raked through the coals. Never forget that this is a fan base that booed Ken Dryden after 5 Cups in 7 years. This is a fan base that booed Patrick Roy after 3 Vezina’s, 2 Conn Smythe’s and 2 Stanley Cups.
They live in the now and they don’t concern themselves with 2012-2016. Those criticizing Price’s development and handling will turn the story into a narrative of tough love and redemption should Price realize his potential in 3 seasons. They will write stories about how the Canadiens humbled him and allowing him freedom helped develop his confidence. This fan base/media loves to live in the world of revisionist history.
How many times does the media need to offer you the chair just so they can pull it away?
Price was sold as Roy and Dryden and 2 seasons later was written off as smug, spoiled, petulant and a bust. All those narratives are extreme versions of reality.
I appreciate Robert’s sentiment, but this has been going on for 40+ years and will never change.
Nevermind that wins is a team stat — the Habs probably aren’t getting 45 wins next year regardless of who’s in net.
On the Habs’ fanbase… it is driven by the media, and the media has long realized that extreme narratives sell much better than reasonable analysis. By which I mean those media that don’t genuinely believe the crap they put out — there’s a lot of media outlets out there who differ from that stubborn guy screaming about the Habs on a barstool at your favorite tavern only in the fact that they have a widely-accessible soapbox. The level of outright dishonesty you see sometimes is sickening.
The Habs’ fanbase is arguably one of the worst in sports… they fancy themselves sophisticated and scream loudly on that basis, yet can be extremely ignorant. And their media outlets aren’t helping. We need a lot more Mathias Brunet and a lot less Rejean Tremblay.
french media
Its the French media that destroys this team and its the French fans that listen and are arrogant.
English media and fans are more realistic….
sure the media adds fuel to the fire…but the fans are ruthless..we quickly forgot how well Price played his first games as a Hab… and then we threw him to the wolves. I for one want to give him a chance to prove himself…
I would totally agree and, yes, if he can do a decent job, I’ll eat my words; however, don’t be so quick to hand me any napkins. Of course we forget how well he did when he first played. Why? Because it is in the PAST and doesn’t matter anymore. Did we actually throw him to the wolves, or was it just our reaction due to his play as well as perceptions about his conditioning and lifestyle? Furthermore, until there is a Stanley Cup for TRYING, the only thing that matters is WINNING. This is why nobody says anything about a player, and fans totally support the team when it is winning. I just want to know 2 things: 1. How much leeway is Price going to get before we label him a Patrik Stefan (i.e. bust)? 2. Will the rest of you be as willing to eat your words when and if Price tanks, or will you resort to blaming the team, schedule, injuries, etc.?
by Alex Blosser on Jul 19, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If the past doesn’t matter anymore, then what does Halak have to offer? His 80 career games can be rendered moot after what, 3 weeks? 1 month? 1 year?
Of course the past matters, it is how you assess individuals. You use history to determine the future. You can’t assume that a player may score 115 goals next season because history shows that the possibility of it happening are zero.
Price will never be Patrick Stefan, he has already accomplished more in his career than Stefan.
by Chris Boyle on Jul 19, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
My apologies Chris, I should’ve been better in my explanation of my point of view. Of course the past matters, but what he did several years ago should not be taken with as much weight as what he did last season, because both he and the team has changed part and parcel from 2-3 years ago.
Yes, to date, Price has accomplished more in his career and at his age than most, but look at last year’s numbers and, as any investment company will use for a disclaimer, “past performance is no indication of future and potential success.”
by Alex Blosser on Jul 21, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s really no measure of what a fan says in here. Either they stat themselves to death or are not educated enough to have a valid point.
My comment of 45 wins, yes, was exorbitant, but.. seriously… all those PRICE IS GOD believers out there need to see that Wins are going to be the detemining factor to whether or not PRICE is SEEN as productive. You can look at all the angles, opportunities in own end, dstat, whatever, corsi….. everything you can think of… the only thing people remember is whether the team made a good impression in the playoffs, and shows some consistency. He has not done this, and, until he does….. there is going to continue to be nay and yay sayers about his abilities, and the realities. Reality states, as a Canadian so far, he did well in his rookie season, not bad the next, but a dramatic drop in production this year. Was it because Halak was playing better, or was it simply a plateau in his abilities? Some of Canada’s would be NHLers go on to be AHlers, or superstar senior league hockey players in their own province….. but potentially they could have been……
My point being 23-10-5 isn’t going to cut it in Montreal as a starter. Price cannot continue to sit on his acheivements and say “I’m here!”, and those ‘knowing’ he has untapped potential need to see that despite the humility he learned this year, he needs to put proof in the pudding. Yes the media and us ‘stupid uneducated’ fans will continue to yammer on about how management needs to…. a, b, c, and how player X needs to step up. and Yes its because we aren’t GM’s and professionals that we can sit on soapboxes and continue to do so.
I played right wing and d for 30 yrs. Position was 10 % of the game, and 90% is played in your head. I never made a Provincial A team, nor won an MVP… but my character as a team player, {play on the pk or sit on the bench for the ‘superstars’ to get their last chance with 2 mins left} always got me noticed amongst coaches and fans (albeit family and friends were the fans). I like the integrity of the game, and playing for fun. Carey doesn’t, yet, seem like he’s having fun. No, it doesn’t likely help to have 18 thousand or more people assessing his play every night, but…. he’s now in the NHL… a dream realized.
Put potential in one hand and a grain of salt in the other….. which is more tangible?? I guess time will tell and trophies will fill the shelves when the potential is realized…… Who wants to sit and wait for it to happen??? Guess we’ll all have to eh….
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Jul 19, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions
And second to that…the comment being W’s are a team Stat…. yes…. they are, but as Halak proved over this past season, a goaltender can impact those… oftentimes more than any other player on the ice.
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 PM EDT reply actions
Wins are a team based stat and the point being made is if you replaced Halak’s 17 starts against Toronto, NY Islanders, Atlanta, Carolina and Florida with the Capitals, Penguins etc it would change his won loss record. If you remove Washington, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Detroit etc from Price’s resume and replace it with the bottom teams in the league his won loss record gets better.
Halak STILL has not proven that he can handle the load as the number 1 goaltender playing 50+ games against the best teams in the league.
This is about confirmation bias. If you choose to ignore reality you are not basing your decision on reality. If anybody brings up his fantastic Olympics again I am going to puke. It is a mirage, it is not reality that he had a GREAT olympics.
These were his stats from his 7 Olympic starts:
Preliminary Round
Game 1 – Czech Republic – .875 SV%
Game 2 – Russia – .973 SV%
Game 3 – Latvia – 1.000 SV%
Qualification for Quarter Finals
Game 4 – Norway – .842 SV%
Quarter Finals
Game 5 – Sweden – .897 SV%
Semi-Finals
Game 6 – Canada – .893 SV%
Bronze Medal game
Game 7 – Finland – .875 SV%
Do you see a goaltender who rose to the occasion? Because that is the narrative that was created. I see a goaltender whose stats deflated with each round.
I have heard the argument that Halak proved he could be a number one goaltender because of the way he performed in the playoffs. Well using Wins as the largest determining factor what would the consensus be on Price if his record was 9-9? That is what Halak’s playoff record was.
Halak did not cement his status as an elite goaltender with his playoff performance, all he did was give the media a chance to deify him as a saviour. A player to prop up as a legend. Nobody knows if he is Steve Penney 2.0 or Patrick Roy 2.0.
It is why I thought the best thing to do was keep both goaltenders and see how much the gap is narrowed. How would Halak responded to starting 40+ games against the Caps, Pens and Detroit’s of the world. How would Price fair against a collection of games highlighted by the Leafs, Canes, Thrashers, Panthers and Lightning?
Price’s pedigree was essential in the decision to keep him, but it doesn’t mean it will prove to be the right choice. I still think they chose the right goalie, I don’t think I would have done it when they did.
by Chris Boyle on Jul 20, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent post
First let me congratulate on this great blog. I found it via SBNation, and it’s my favorite now.
As for this entry, I couldn’t agree more. Price is only 22, there’s great potential in him, and should be given full support to be the starter in this team. In the long run I think he’ll do better than Halak (whom I greatly respect, but by the end the Flyers had him figured out).
Can’t wait for the season to start, and chanting Ca-rey, Ca-re :)
Again--fair and balanced analysis
Robert,
I am a longtime reader, and for the first time, I have felt compelled to put in my two cents. As a Habs fan going way back to Lafleur and Dryden, I find it remarkable how soon Montreal fans forget and how critical and unforgiving they can be. When was the last time this hockey team had a player with the pedigee and promise that Price possessed coming right out of the gate? You have to probably go back to Patrick Roy—and he was a second round draft pick, had great success in the minors, won the Cup as a rookie, and still had to go through growing pains the following few years. Lafleur didn’t establish himself until after three seasons. The learning curve for an NHL goaltender is a slow progression—Price was perhaps rushed along, but his stats and his accomplishments in Junior and the AHL do speak to qualified success at his young age. His underachieving during the 2008-2009 Centenniel season was matched by almost every player on that team. Last year, he was legitimately beaten out by Halak for the starter job by the second half—and Halak and (for the most part) a healthy team exceeded expectations in the playoffs—while Price was relegated to backup. Yet he handled that assignment with class and with a team-first mentality. With regard to his mental makeup, give the kid a break. He was accused of being almost emotionless when he first came up, later he was accused of being a hot head. All I have seen is a kid who wants to play, has had to learn a few hard lessons, and by-the-way, this is a kid that is “gawd awful” talented. He’s 22 and possesses all the potential to be a great goaltender. I would rather defer to Scotty Bowman who chimed in on the Montreal goaltending controversy a while ago and suggested that Price is the type a goaltender you build a team around rather than some po’d fan who feels that trading Halak for what is potentially a great return was a grievous mistake that Canadiens and fans will rue in hindsight. I guess only history will tell. Just the same, I am secure in what we have—a potential franchise goaltender.
I just can’t see why you would trade a sure thing for a prospect’s potential. I don’t see the logic in trading either of them, yet keeping the $7 million man (it sure helped Price’s salary leverage though). Anyway, if Price can turn it around and be this awesome goaltender, I’ll admit I was wrong, but I just don’t see it happening. Also, regarding the Olympic post, it’s really hard to compare numbers from facing the best of the best that the hockey powers have to send to a tournament to facing the likes of the Florida Panthers and Edmonton Oilers.
Scarey Price
No stats included in this opinion. I don’t care how good he was when he was 17 I don’t see him getting any better I see him getting worse. Now that the brain trust has seen fit to send another keeper better than this head case out of town we are stuck with him. I am sick and tired of hearing IF Price can…. He is not an elite NHL keeper he is no better than the bottom tier keepers in the league. They easily get rid of players who underachieve why not this load. How many more years of poor play will they accept? He must have pix of someone doing something bad. or maybe he is dating a Molson. Bottom line we traded the wrong keeper …. again, now we are stuck with POOR goaltending for many years. Crap.
Hopeful But Concerned
Well, Carey Price it is now sink or swim time come October 2010. If he cannot carry the load again in the next season will he continue to get a pass because he is young and supposedly has potential? Halak carried this team to the playoffs and further than any Habs team has gone in the post-season for quite some time. Did the Habs retain the right man for the job?
Potential is nice if it pans out and helps the team. How many free passes will this team give Price once he has his new contract and fails to deliver the goods in return? I truly hope that Carey can get over whatever has been limiting his play and development and turn things around. Until I see it happen I am somewhat concerned that the team let a cool and collected goalie slip through their fingers because 1st rounder Carey Price might develop into a great one someday.
Either way…GO HABS GO!
It’s a team game. Halak greatly helped the Habs to the third round, he didn’t carry them. He was very key in some games, but so was the Canadiens clutch scoring.
If the Canadiens are organized, play as a team and are reasonably injury – free, it is possible to duplicate last season’s feats.
I think we need to not romanticize last season’s team. It was an 88-point club that wouldn’t have been close to the playoffs but for an incredibly weak Eastern Conference. It was one of the six worst squads in the league in both shots for and against, and the underlying statistics were not any better. They had a 24-33-25 regulation record. They were a team that could defend well in the zone but had no transition, no neutral-zone play to speak of, and no puck posession — seemingly by choice. If goaltending had been merely “very good” instead of “amazing”:, they would have been a lottery club.
I hope the Habs don’t “duplicate last season’s feats” because the Habs were actually a pretty bad club last year — and a Cinderella playoff run against three teams that thoroughly dominated them doesn’t change that. They have good players on their roster, but they need to completely change the way they approach the game, because in practice, they were pretty terrible.
They went through injuries and growing pains, did they not?
They are far from an 88 point club in my estmation, and I’m no romantic dreamer come assessment time. Experience is worth something and I expect them to be better in the regular season. Much depends on a healthy Markov, though.
The team was also a divided one for a good part of the season, which they shouldn’t be this time around.
A Cinderella playoff run against three teams that thoroughly dominated them doesn’t change that.
Wrong. Totally. It changes lots of things. Confidence for one. This team also understands as a group that if they are all board with a system that they can accomplish much more together than individually. The club is also more bonded, and has expectations.
I will continue to believe, until proven otherwise, that if they remain a unified group in terms of goals and purpose, that it can only help Price in focus.
“They went through injuries and growing pains, did they not?”
They did. They also had unsustainably good goaltending and, let’s face it, a fair bit of overtime luck.
Their underlying numbers weren’t bad. They were TERRIBLE. They might improve a good deal and actually attain “mediocre”. If anything they were actually worse than their 88 points. (I used to not think that, then I looked over the statistics again. Eww. I hadn’t realized, or had forgotten, that it was THIS bad.)
Weird thing though. For my money, they were actually a better team early in the season — a strong puck possession team that controlled the play a fair bit despite the loss of Markov, but was undone by erratic goaltending.
They actually got worse as the season went along. But the goaltending got better and more than made up for it. That doesn’t bode well for the future. You’d expect them to get better with the “growing pains and injuries” done with, but the only thing that did genuinely improve was goaltending.
“Wrong. Totally. It changes lots of things. Confidence for one. This team also understands as a group that if they are all board with a system that they can accomplish much more together than individually. The club is also more bonded, and has expectations.”
If that isn’t romanticizing the playoff run…
I’m not sure how you can praise commitment to their system. It is, frankly, godawful. They have no transition, no puck possession, no neutral zone play. They basically defend and clear the puck off the boards and defend some more, rinse and repeat. It’s not a system that can be successful in modern hockey. They need to completely rethink their strategy, and established a more controlling system, or they’ll continue to need Vezina goaltending to attain mediocrity.
They may be confident, they may believe in each other, and so on, but that didn’t stop them from being a lousy hockey club. The results were admirable, but they did not achieve them by playing sound, good hockey.
Put simply, if they continue playing the way they did in the playoffs, they’re much more likely to be a lottery team than a playoff team.
For the Love of this sport....
Take a look at Halak… seriously look at his last 5 yrs… total GAA, SV %, wins…. tell me the guy hasn’t IMPROVED.
You can take his 3 yrs extra in age, and draft status and potential and throw them out the window. You can look at both of these very good tenders and see only ONE has progressed since making the Club.
Anyway… I’m tired of potential… and all the Halak is a one season horse… when he’s proved he isn;t…. whether he’s a full time 1 or not… he’s progressed. And who at 25 has capped their potential?? Who at 25 with a .924 save percentage isn’[t worth a contract?
Something’s gotta give. Not sure what… but… they need to sure up what’s in front of Price to make him the goaltender Halak was this year.
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Jul 21, 2010 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
What? Gomez (aka the $7 million statue), Hamrlik (well, let’s just say he’s not worth $5.5 mil. anymore and isn’t getting any younger), and Andrei (what the big injury going to be this season?) Markov aren’t enough?
As for Carey Price, since he has been anointed “the future” and a “franchise goaltender,” don’t you think the team should sign him? Just a thought….
by Alex Blosser on Jul 22, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
ok…..i just have one problem….and that is not that price is 22 and growing….but for crying out loud,has anyone taken notice that halak is ONLY 24!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…….IT SEEMS HE IS THE ONLY 24 YEAR OLD WHO IS NEARING RETIREMENT AND THAT LITTLE PRICE IS THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK…..WELL….I DONT CARE WHO IS BETTER BUT PLEASEEEEEEEEEE STOP REFERING TO PRICE BEING ONLY 22…..HALAK IS ONLY 24 AND PROVEN!!!!!!!!
prices age
mr.robert L………WHEN MAKING THE POINT ABOUT PRICE’S AGE VERSUS HALAKS,,I AM NOT REFERING TO HIM BEING TRADED….BUT IN FACT WHAT I HAVE BEEN BOMBARDED WITH HEARING FOR 2 YEARS…….PLEASE NOTE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PRICE BEING KEPT….MAYBE I CAN ACTUALLY CLAIM THAT HE IS BETTER THAN HALAK..BUT DARN IT,,,DIDNT ANYONE TAKE NOTICE THAT HALAK IS A MEAR 24 MONTHS OLDER THAN PRICE,DURING THE PAST 2 YEARS?….SO MY POINT ACTUALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH UR ARTICLE,UNLESS YOU ARE STRESSING HIS AGE AS A REASON TO HAVE KEPT HIM OVER HALAK…IF THATS THE CASE, I SIMPLY DISAGREE WITH ANY ARGUEMENT SUPPORTING THE NOTION THAT PRICES AGE IS A PRIMARY FACTOR IN KEEPING HIM OVER HALK.! THATS ALL!
the difference between 22 and 24 is huge, in goaltending terms. very few goalies- even the best goalies- make the nhl before age 24/25, and those that do are generally pretty bad in their early twenties.
in other words, it is certainly possible that a 24-year-old price will be every bit as good as 24-year-old halak. we’re talking about two very important years’ difference.
This bears repeating: the average 22-year-old goaltender is not even in the NHL.
Does that mean that Price was rushed? He’s got two starter-caliber seasons (his rookie season, and last season) that say he wasn’t. Player developpement is an inexact science, and it’s just not true that getting him to the NHL one year too early will RUIN HIM FOREVER… or that spending a year in the AHL would have fixed all his problems or even made him a better goalie now. The bottom line is, he was good enough for the NHL at the time he made the jump.
“They did. They also had unsustainably good goaltending and, let’s face it, a fair bit of overtime luck”
I remember a time when a kid who had some over time luck had the keys to the Montreal Empire… a little known tender who won the CUP pretty much on his own…. But hey… goaltenders and luck haven’t anything to do with one another….
Point being Price can’t be the Price of last year. Regardless how the team plays in front of him…. maturity is somethin that is gained by LEARNING from mistakes… and we know he’s made a bunch. So this year… by god I hope he signs for a year…. is the year he needs to put it all on the line.
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Jul 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
Goaltending matters, but we need to be realistic with our expectations. I think we can agree that the Habs do not have the best goaltenders in NHL history.
Halak was otherworldly last year. .924? That’s a career season. If he keeps it up the rest of his career, he is the best goalie in NHL history. That’s how good it was. A good goalie can uncork a year like that on occasion, but they can’t keep this up year after year unless they are Dominik Hasek — and even then. Halak is not likely to be a .924 goalie next year, and neither is Price.
I don’t doubt that Price will be very good, quite possibly even excellent, next year. The problem is, if the Habs play the way they played last year, “excellent” won’t cut it, and merely “very good” goaltending is a ticket for a lottery pick. (Heck, if they play the way they played in front of price, “otherworldy” won’t cut it. It’ll take something more like “perfect”.)
A goalie that uncorks a .924 season is supposed to get you over the top — just like it did for Buffalo last season. When a .924 goalie allows you to barely keep your head above water and struggle to an 88-point season, your team has some serious problems.
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Halak was good for his time and yes otherworldly but when the Flyers a non shooting team came along, what happened? Yes he crumbled! Where was that glove when somebody actually shot at it? A great ride but so was Casey’s and where is he? Take a look at Price’s numbers, take a second look are they really that bad, NOT. He still progressing, consistent not yet, but learning. One day he will get everything together and i would rather have him with us because YES a Stanley is in his future. Still having second thoughts take a look at the stats of Saint Patrick, am I comparing no but ( well maybe a little). What if Patrick never realized his potential?
by Jason Dalgleish on Jul 23, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions
You’re missing my point entirely. I’m fine with Price as the starter next year. Heck, I absolutely think it was the right move. He’ll be cheaper for longer and there’s not likely to be much real difference in future performance between him and Halak.
My point is that the Habs are not a good team, so they need an otherworldly goalie to be competive. Goalies will occasionally have an otherworldly season, but they can’t be otherworldly all the time. The Habs are not likely to have a goalie good enough for them to win next year if they play the way they did last year. Regardless of whether their starter is Price, Halak, Vokoun, Lundqvist, Miller… short of giving Dominik Hasek a youth potion the Habs’ goaltending is almost certain to not be as good next year as last year. They could’ve kept Halak and I would’ve said the same thing — he WILL come down to Earth.
My point is that we worry so much about goaltending when it is the one thing that is decidedly not the problem with the Habs, and we don’t stop to realize that the rest of the team has played pretty poorly and that there’s a lot of fixing that needs to happen if the Habs are a competitive or even a playoff-quality team.
Maybe the reason we put a lot of focus on the goalie because, frankly, it’s the only thing keeping the team afloat. We should stop worrying about the goaltending and start worrying about how the team should go about becoming a team that can win — heck, compete — without a Vezina winner.
Guillotining Price and Gauthier!!!
The Carey Price saga in Montreal is a combination of two things… oversize ego… an unwillingness for management to admit that “we made a mistake”… and the power of the media and the Montreal fan base to make it difficult for young guns to develop.
Briere did not want any part of playing for the Habs because he knew even though he’d be a cult hero, one bad game and he’d be shredded to a pulp by the rabid media… followed closely by being tarred and feathered by the fans. These fans were ready to string up Lafleur when he didn’t instantaneously become the NHL’s scoring leader in his first season.
It takes an extra think skin to play for the Habs. Lafleur had this kind of skin, and Price does not appear to have this kind of skin. If he doesn’t start off the pre-season brilliantly, let alone the regular season, it’s hard to say how long he will last before being a candidate for the psychiatric hospital.
Halak becoming one of the better goalies in the NHL will be an impossible pill to swallow, and St. Catherine Street will be the site for the guillotine for both Price and Pierre Gauthier.
to much
when you are a PROFESSIONAL sports figure and get paid the amount they get media should not phase them you go out there and play your best no matter what and earn your money i dont care how old price is the fact is he has to spet up his game and show that hes the #1 started screw the crazy montreal press . im from boston but im a diehard canadiens fan since forever .PRICE will b awesome and you’ll all see it this year . he will raise a cup in the next 3 years
by Patrick Bernier on Jul 30, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Talented but
Here’s my prediction. Halak will have a better goals against average; save percentage; and more wins than Carey Price. Every year in the league and in the AHL, Halak had a better save percentage than Carey Price and he did that while playing sporadically.
He was not just the playoff hero, he got them to the playoffs, and if he played 2 years ago, they would have gone further. Gainey was no genius. His one Stanley Cup with Dallas was tainted with Brett Hull’s skate being obviously in the crease on the overtime “winning” goal.

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