Habs Overwhelmed By Capitals, With Official Assistance
by Robert L on Apr 17, 2010 10:45 PM EDT
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The comments on the post are now closed. Every angle was covered and discussed ad nauseum and it was beginning to degenerate into personal things. i won't be party to that. If perchance someone absolutely has something to add that has not been touched upon, that adds in one way or another to this article, they can find the e-mail on the main page. If I agree it adds something to the argument from either side, I will add it into the main post below this and reply to it. Thanks all for your comments and passion. It is now time to move on and consider Game Three.
What a railroad job! Completely disgusting! Lord knows what on God's earth was being reviewed immediately after Andrei Kostitsyn's third goal that took a good six minutes to settle. As cynical as this sounds, someone somewhere did not want that goal, making the score 4-1 Montreal, to count.
To me, that reeks of something.
Like, if they couldn't disallow this goal based on the play's events themselves, then they would find something immediately preceding it that would disqualify it.
Can you imagine some ghost play a minute or so back, that the official would invoke that old "intent to blow" the whistle rule that's already screwed Montreal once this year.
What truly riles is that upon a quick look, the goal was good. It needn't take so long. The shot had redirected off a Capital defender's stick, hitting Kostitsin in the hip, or upper body and finding its way past Varlamov.
With the score now 4-1, the delay was frigging handy to a Capitals team reeling out of control. The unneccessary review essentially gave them what amounted to one very long time out.
On the ensuing play just moments later, Mike Knuble intently backs into Jaroslav Halak's crease, bumping him so blatantly, the whistle should have blown immediately, as Washington has puck possession.
The official can be seen to Halak's right, looking directly at everything, and ignoring everything, just as blatant and obvious as what Knuble had done unprovoked.
A split second later, Backstrom fires a shot past Halak, making into 4-2, as the second period was about to end.
Unbelievably, then again, perhaps not, little protest was seen coming from the Canadiens bench.
The effect of the blown call, was not just game-changing, it was series altering in scope. Should the Canadiens start the third period up 4-1, it's almost surely game over, and Washington, heading to Montreal down two games, are in serious trouble.
What occured after that goal, with the Verizon Center crowd seriously lit up and the Capitals suddenly energized, is that the Canadiens were completely overwhelmed by the prowess of their opponent. The series, from the get-go, was seen as a mismatch, but that wasn't going according to plan.
The Canadiens, surely furious and baffled by the contunous non-calls of goaltender interference against Halak, were trumped. They tried as they might, but there was little they could do against this complicit tidal wave.
Had they been able to gather their wits, they might have hung on to win, but it was completely obvious that they were rattled in every possible manner.
The inevitable script was then played out, the one every Habs and Caps fan felt coming.
It's a sad day for hockey, and a good time to question being a hockey fan.
Now to some, it will surely sounds as thought I am discrediting the Capital for winning this game. Make no mistake, I am.
When a team needs to be so blatantly handed momentum by officials when it's most needed in order to beat an eighth place team that is picking them apart, well good luck to you.
Something dirty went down during that upstairs call after the Kostitsyn goal. Trust you'll never hear a transcript of it, an explanation, a clarification.
The NHL needs its best showcase teams, and that means the Capitals, Penguins, Hawks to remain around for ratings purposes. What sells the game will not be a second round series with the Habs and Ottawa.
There was a crucial moment in this game where the hoped for scenario was in jeopardy, and something was done about it.
What a fix!
What a freaking snowjob!
From Four Habs Fans, fucking lawyers for Christsakes! An explanation of rule 69.1.
The official explanation for the delay, was that they were also reviewing an earlier play during this lengthy time.
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The last time the Habs played a most-favoured Bettman opponent from the south east division, the Captain nearly lost his eye on a non-call series-changing event. That delay was absolutely hilarious.
uh...
they were reviewing the previous habs “non-goal”, because they hadn’t had a chance for the replay officials to look at it.
/caps fan
What non-goal, and was is there to review of a non-goal for starters?
If it’s what I’m thinking it is was, that play was a whole shift earlier, a faceoff and two minutes passed.
Plenty of time to have done it in the interim.
I don’t buy it.
Plenty of time to have done it in the interim.
There had been no faceoff. It was the first stoppage after the non-goal in question.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Toronto, who was making the call, had plenty of time.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
…that’s not how instant replay works in the National Hockey League, and you’re fully aware of that.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Toronto actually will keep an eye on all games, and certainly, since no other games were ongoing, were keeping an eye on this one.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
But they require that the replays be sent to them by the broadcasting networks (remember the Pittsburgh game?). They’re not doing that while the puck is in play.
What you’re describing not only makes sense but is actually against the rules of the NHL.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So what took so long and required a different headset? Is that common in the Caps arena, most officials hear just fine with the phone.
The Pouliot no goal wasn’t close enough to take that long.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d much rather the officials take the time to get the correct call than blow something like that. I doubt the league called in to say “Hey, you’d better fix this thing,” and if they had, what took so long?
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by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I see them go to that headset fairly regularly. I couldn’t tell you off the top of my head if all those times are at Verizon Center, but I watch every Caps game and I see it all the time.
As for the no goal being “not close enough”, I can’t really say either way because they never showed a replay of that one for U.S. audiences (they were only showing the goal that wasn’t being reviewed). Perhaps it’s possible that part of the reason it took so long was that the broadcasters had to get the replays for a different play than they had thought?
This is a non-starter. Not only was there nothing wrong with that review, but it has nothing to do with why you lost the game.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ve been *((_)( out of a win with a non-goalie interference call before. Game 7, 2008, for example. It happens.
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
Capitals Coming: for Capitals fans who can bear reading something less intelligent than a story at Japers' Rink
by red army line on Apr 17, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Momentum was created by that goal and certainly plays a part in the final score.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So you’re upset because the NHL, as mandated by the NHL rules, conducted a replay review that met the specifications of the NHL rules, and drew the correct conclusion from that review?
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
But they require that the replays be sent to them by the broadcasting networks
No they do not!
Toronto office can actually call down when something is missed, and that is quite possibly what happened tonight. Who knows?
Yes, they do. Don’t you remember the FSN Pittsburgh controversy?
Toronto calls when something is missed, but they get the actual replays from the networks. Toronto doesn’t have their own super secret special cameras in all thirty NHL buildings.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, so they can go look at all the camera angles that conclusively showed that the puck was never in that were shown while the puck was in play?
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
No just 30 separate TV screens of every possible televised angle going out live from various networks. What they do not have are the camera angles not seen. They do, as you say, have to inquire for access from overhead net cams on demand, but still, this so called Pouliot goal was not even close.
I do not buy it, sorry.
live
See, they don’t go out live. Only the one angle that’s broadcasted live is broadcasted live, and that angle clearly didn’t show conclusively whether or not the puck was in.
There was absolutely nothing that the NHL could do to review that goal while the puck was in play. NOTHING.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
They have more than one feed and more than one tv, it is Toronto, but I’m sure they have that technology.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Lord knows what on God’s earth was being reviewed immediately after Andrei Kostitsyn’s third goal that took a good six minutes to settle.
As cynical as this sounds, someone somewhere did not want that goal, making the score 4-1 Montreal, to count.
O.O
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
Mike Knuble was CLEARLY pushed into Halak on the play you’re complaining about. Relax. You have a split. It’s a best of five series and you have home ice advantage.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
The 2nd backstrom goal was due to Halak being hit, cleanly I supposed, and not being able to get back into the play. Furthermore, the fact Halak is on his post and Knuble backs into him before Gill comes close was reason enough to waive it off.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s going TOWARDS the goalie to set up a screen on his own. Not INTO him.
Look again.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
His heels are into Halaks pads into the crease before Gill touches him, that is the definition of interfering.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the second screen shot I posted at the 41 second mark. Gill’s not touched him yet, and Knuble is cleary up against Halak. Not even close!
He’s up against him. He’s screening him. He’s
Not even close!to touching him.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re fighting a losing battle. Knuble’s ass was in Halak’s face, half his body was in the crease. There’s more than one way to define interference, and one of those is if a player causes the goalie to be unable to get into position to make a save, it’s interference.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought we were lucky to get away with interference on the play. I thought there was enough contact to call it, but he had enough time to get set to let it go. It looked to me like it could have gone either way.
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by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Enough time to get set? Halak wasn’t even able to get into position!!! Knuble pinned Halak’s right leg against the outside of the post and knocked him backwards before Gill came in.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not buying his leg was pinned. Once Gill hit him, there was little Knuble could do. It’s positioning that makes all the difference – trust me, your defense has been crazy good positionally, and it’s driving me nuts.
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by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Positioning does make a big difference, and if Halak can’t get into position and challenge shooters because Knuble is standing right on top of him, keeping him deep in the net with his leg pinned against the post, it’s interference.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s as much Knuble’s ice as it is Halak’s outside the crease, and once Gill is on Knuble, Knuble couldn’t move.
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by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, it’s not. If a shot is coming from far out and a goalie is trying to challenge by coming out, and a player won’t let him, that’s interference.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, if Knuble was there first, its not interference. Knuble was there first, Gill pushed him into Halak. Get over it.
If the player is there first in the crease, then it is interference, I think is the precedent. Outside the crease, they let it slide, from what I’ve seen.
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
Capitals Coming: for Capitals fans who can bear reading something less intelligent than a story at Japers' Rink
by red army line on Apr 17, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If the goalie is unable to make a save because he’s being prevented from doing so by a player, it’s interference!!! Every time, no exceptions, that’s the rule.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No, there is an exception. When it’s a player on his own team.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The interference happened before Gill was involved, but keep deluding yourself into thinking Washington can do no wrong.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
keep deluding yourself into thinking Washington can do no wrong.
I love how you think you know how I feel about everything that’s ever happened to the Washington Capitals from a handful of posts.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s clear you can’t admit a clear infraction, it isn’t even debatable that Knuble interfered with Halak, it’s right there for everyone to see.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on. You can’t honestly say that it “isn’t even debatable”. Come to the middle a bit.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
We did plenty of wrong. We got called, correctly, for three trips. That’s unacceptable, and the team needs to cut that garbage out. I thought we got away with a penalty on the PK before you guys scored the goal with the 6 minute review. Schultz pinched at the wrong time, leading to a 2 on 1 against Mike Green, who rushed the play. That was wrong. Theo let in the first two shots he faced. Wrong. We’re quick to point fingers at our own squad when we think they’ve done something wrong.
"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."
by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
And outside of the crease as well, I believe is the precedent.
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
Capitals Coming: for Capitals fans who can bear reading something less intelligent than a story at Japers' Rink
by red army line on Apr 17, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the still attached to the original post, esily in the crease.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see it, sorry. Can’t see Knuble’s skates. I think he’s standing on the edge of the paint.
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
Capitals Coming: for Capitals fans who can bear reading something less intelligent than a story at Japers' Rink
by red army line on Apr 17, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Even heels in the paint on the edge is certainly in the crease.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ehh…it’s gray. As I said above, either way is fine with me.
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
Capitals Coming: for Capitals fans who can bear reading something less intelligent than a story at Japers' Rink
by red army line on Apr 18, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Halak is in the crease, that wasn’t a play that he could come out, the image in the article shows that and makes in more egregious since it is inside the blue paint.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If you have watched Halak this year, in dealing with screens he stays up till the last minute, that completely screwed his ability to play the position. That’s interference.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That has been called all regular season as a non penalty, but a no goal.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I can ship some tin foil your way if you need it.
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Funny that Caps fans are going this route, since they’re the biggest whiners in the league as soon as the play the Penguins. Even the owner of the team cries on his blog about how Ovechkin is bullied by the league after he tries to break someone’s neck with a hit from behind.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny that Caps fans are going this route, since they’re the biggest whiners in the league as soon as the play the Penguins. Even the owner of the team cries on his blog about how Ovechkin is bullied by the league after he tries to break someone’s neck with a hit from behind.
You’re right, for the most part, but the SBNation blog we post at tends to question that with stats more than whining.
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by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Stats/evidence is provided in screen caps. You are also free to watch the replays and see where a Capitals player pushes Spacek (who didn’t have the puck) into Halak on Backstrom’s goal to tie it at 4. Also interference.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
look, the game is in the books, I don’t see how this is different from every other poorly officiated game we have seen this year.
There are bad calls all the time.
I Laich the Professor.
resident master jinxer
The difference is the stakes. You know it as well as I do, don’t play dumb. If the Capitals go down 2-0 like they likely should have after the crap performance they put on tonight, this series is all but over. Now the Capitals are back in the series when they don’t deserve to be, by the grace of the officials.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Capitals go down 2-0 like they likely should have after the crap performance they put on tonight, this series is all but over.
You must not have been watching the playoffs last year.
by the grace of the officials.
I completely disagree. I don’t think I can even express how vehemently I disagree that the two issues that make up the crux of this post—the properly conducted replay and Mike Knuble being pushed into Halak—were not “bad calls”, let one “snow job[s]”. I’m honestly surprised that knowledgeable fans are even the slightest bit upset (towards the officials) about either.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Because the entire TSN panel agreed that Knuble’s goal should have been called back. I’m slightly surprised that your bias for your own team is so thick that you can’t recognize that the only people who think that was a good goal were the officials and capitals fans/players.
As for last year, the Habs aren’t the Rangers, they’re a far better team that battled injuries all year.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Because the entire TSN panel agreed that Knuble’s goal should have been called back
The entire VS panel agreed that it shouldn’t have been.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah and TSN isn’t biased at all either
by Beakers Lab on Apr 17, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
2 Caps on the versus panel, by the way. Both Tsn and vs suck anyhow.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Engblom played there for 8 games and was traded again. I dont see how that is relevant.
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → b a (select) start
And hey, he played for Montreal too!
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He did play for the Habs, and they did a big story about his time with the Caps.
Realistically tv personalities are irrelevant to any discussions, like we all agree, they suck.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, TSN has been boasting about the Capitals all year, and they rarely if ever say anything favourable about the Habs.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Any goalie interference by Knuble was soft. Could’ve been called, could’ve been let slide, as it was. They let it go. Happens. They’ve been doing that all postseason. You seen how much Quick and Luongo get run over without calls?
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
Capitals Coming: for Capitals fans who can bear reading something less intelligent than a story at Japers' Rink
by red army line on Apr 17, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
True. And it was crap when Smyth ran over Luongo, just like it wa crap earlier.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
At least we have a precedent now?
Cидни Kросби: Александр Oвечкин, он твой папа теперь
Capitals Coming: for Capitals fans who can bear reading something less intelligent than a story at Japers' Rink
by red army line on Apr 18, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
You don’t think if we had gotten a goal by interfering with the keeper you’d be pissed too? As one of your comrades points out, the same crap has happened before, it was garbage then and garbage now.
The replay was one of the longest I have seen all year and for what?
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’d have been pissed, but Knuble didn’t interfere with Halak.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The series would not be over at all, but the scenario would be scary as hell for Washington.
I’m honestly surprised that knowledgeable fans are even the slightest bit upset (towards the officials) about either.
Were you not upset when fucked over in the Flyers series.
Why does the fact that perhaps you’ve gotten over that incident reflect upon your perception of what a knowledge fan is?
You weren’t fucked over by the officials though.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. Ultimate bias. Us poor caps fans always get the shaft, but no one else does. Give us all a break.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
With all due respect, when did I say that?
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Screen caps do not provide all the evidence you need in situations such as this.
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by Ovechwin on Apr 17, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
C’mon. The officials aren’t out to screw you. The Habs had a power play advantage going into the third, and they allowed the goal that you’re talking about. Knuble was pushed into Halak.
This type of response is unbecoming, no?
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The officials sucked, period. There was inconsistency in the second half of the game. Consistency is what makes officiating.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
How many times was there uncalled interference on Halak. Poti tackled him in his own crease, for Christsakes!
You’re talking to a fanbase who was beaten by the Flyers two years ago in no small part because a Capital was thrown onto our goalie by a Flyer and the opposition scored, among other countless runs of Christobal Huet. Forgive me for having little sympathy.
"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."
by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t want to win like a Flyer do you? It was bs then, it’s bs now
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to win. I don’t really care what it takes. If the refs are letting it go, you’ve gotta find a way to stop it, or if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.
"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."
by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying, I guess if that is a motto you can live by. Pretty clear you think it was an iffy call and helped shift momentum.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it was as big of a momentum shift as Gomez complaining to the refs about Ovechkin, the linesmen taking Ovechkin off the ice, and then him finding Poti willing to drop the gloves. That was your big momentum shift.
"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."
by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The momentum shift was getting Gomez off the ice for the powerplay, a win for the cap. If they weren’t focused on getting Ovie, who can take care of himself, off the ice, the fight wouldn’t have happend.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It was Gomez’s decision. And he definitely barked at the very linesman who took Ovechkin off the ice.
"Don't mind WM...he's an all-around jerk."
by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
funny that you are complaining since a handpass was called against the Caps that wiped out a goal late in the second when replays clearly showed it was a Hab that pushed it out.
by Beakers Lab on Apr 17, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean after Poti got away with molesting Halak in the crease, literally pushing him out of the net from behind? That play?
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
just saying that the refs missed things both ways. it wasn’t a one-sided affair from the refs. bringing out a tin-foil hat worthy post in response to the game is a shame.
by Beakers Lab on Apr 17, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Missed things? A hand pass is not even close to comparable to what Washington got away with tonight. You realize that you’re bitching about a phantom hand pass after Poti got away with some of the worst goalie interference possible? You don’t see the irony in your bias?
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
First off I’m not “bitching” about anything, I’ve left all the bitching up to you Habs fans, which you seem to be handling quite well
Second the “phantom” hand passed erased a goal for the Caps.
Third the trip against Green behind the net that wasn’t called was as bad as any trip the Caps got whistled for.
Penalties were even and calls were missed both ways, I think we can all agree on that. claiming a conspiracy is a shame though.
by Beakers Lab on Apr 17, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re saying that you should have had a goal because of a phantom pass, when the play should have given the Caps a PK for goalie interference on one of the most blatant and obvious circumstances I’ve seen in years. You don’t make any sense whatsoever.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re lack of ability to have a logical conversation astounds me.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re the one arguing we got away with a momentum shift. How ambiguous is that?
I like the Washington Capitals.
When did I say anything about momentum? Never. Other people may have, but I said nothing about momentum. All I’ve said is that the Capitals got away with 3 goals that were goalie interference, and several big penalties, the worst of which being a vicious high stick on Markov right before Cammalleri got called for slashing on Ovechkin.
http://berkshireonthehabs.blogspot.com/
by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I missed a high stick on Markov. I’d have to take it back to see it.
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by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If you look, that is one of the infuriating bad calls.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Near the end of the game, right before Carlson tied it.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll definitely have a look.
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by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
On home ice a goal that shouldn’t have been allowed is a momentum shift…actually any goal would have been…but it is crappy when it should have been disallowed. The fact is, we don’t know how the game would have turned out because of the call.
by blockersave93 on Apr 17, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Two years ago, we’re talking about tonight. What happened in a game between the Capitals and Flyers two years ago is irrelevant.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You can ignore my point entirely if you want.
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by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Your point is what? That you have no sympathy? No one here expects you to have sympathy, but its always nice to admit when you’re dead wrong, and your team had no business being in this game.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
They had business being in the game, clearly, because they won.
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by Ovechwin on Apr 17, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
By the grace of the officials, yup, they did. I wonder if they could score 6 when the game is called evenly?
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by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dispute that.
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Dispute all you want.
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by Andrew Berkshire on Apr 17, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m serious, we have a lot of tin foil in caps nations, you can have some.
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by Ovechwin on Apr 17, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you score 5 goals and manage to lose, especially after having a 4-1 lead, you can’t blame the officials for all of that. Look at the bench.
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Perhaps to the net?
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but Knuble and Poti were in the way, I couldn’t see the net
by Beakers Lab on Apr 17, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Plus one sir.
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At 51 seconds, Knuble’s left leg is off the ice, and his numbers are leaning right. Who’s the Montreal defender to his left? He’s 90 degrees to Knuble, and his elbows are just below the bottom of Knuble’s numbers.
Okay, enough’s been said on this and every angle touched on.
Get your good shots in before midnight. I’m shutting the comments down before it degenerates further.
Sorry, but before it delved into a hate on. Not gonna happen here. Thanks for the comments and passion everyone.
Oh no, you don’t need to apologize, I wasn’t being sarcastic or anything.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Apr 17, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
the game after the game
I love this Roberto. Your blog is like Gomez vs. Poti! Really funky how all the Caps fans have come over to play – welcome to the land of 24 Stanley Cups.
Patience Habs fellow fans. Poor reffing, defencemens’ asses backing in on Halak, Halak faked out on the last two goals, etc. And yet we are heading home with a split. The league leading Caps were lucky to get this W. One might argue that we were lucky to get the last one.
We are even. Officially speaking.
But not really. Because this is gonna be a tight series, no doubt about it, and that is way more than most were willing to see four days ago = MOST IMPORTANTLY, the Habs are psychologically ahead:
1) Now everyone knows the Habs can beat the Caps, anywhere, any night (and vice versa, of course, but everyone already knew that!)
2) We can and will chase their goalies off the ice. Our goalies are better and that’s what this series is going to come down to
3) The next two games are on the toughest, and most glorious, home turf in professional sports
4) We now have home ice advantage, on said turf
5) Our boys are playing their hearts out. I’m a proud Habs fan this fine spring evening.
by patience is a virtue on Apr 17, 2010 11:51 PM EDT reply actions
You guys should be proud. The Habs, for one and a half games, were writing the book on how to beat the Caps.
I disagree with point 2. Price isn’t stronger than either of the Caps goalies, and I don’t think Halak is that much stronger than Varlamov. He does play with a better defense, which leads to better numbers, but both goalies are very similar. It’s going to be a tough series for both squads.
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by Whiter Mage on Apr 17, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Conspiracy theories are born of repetitive, inexplicable behavior that cannot be explained another way. Yeah, Caps fans get paranoid around the Pens, but there is years of evidence for that. Doesn’t make it valid or any less unlikely, but that’s where it comes from.
This was, at worst, a badly called game. I’ll agree there was some nasty missed calls in the 3rd, and I really do understand why you’re pissed… but calling league-wide, Toronto fake-review conspiracy after one poorly called game?
Come’on now.
It’s a great series! It’s tied! Enjoy it!
by Videre on Apr 17, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Surely the momentum that MTL had after gaining a 5-4 lead late in the third should have been more than enough to overcome the momentum the Caps gained in the 2nd while still being down by multiple goals. How did the refs blow that momentum for the Habs? And how did they give the Caps the OT goal?
Sure, there were questionable calls and non-calls both ways, like there are in every game. But the fact of the matter is that the Canadiens had a 4-1 lead in the 2nd, a 4-2 lead in the 3rd, and then a 5-4 lead with 2 minutes left in regulation, and they blew it. Blaming the refs without giving any blame to the Habs or credit to the Caps is petty and ridiculous.
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by Killer_Carlson on Apr 17, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
Surely the momentum that MTL had after gaining a 5-4 lead late in the third should have been more than enough to overcome the momentum the Caps gained in the 2nd while still being down by multiple goals
I disagree, for the simple reason that the Capitals are such an offensive machine. They became unstoppable after a time.
I'm confused....
With all these conspiracies being thrown around, was it the second shooter that beat you or the magic puck?
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But with all of this conspiracy, the Habs had a 5-4 lead with 90 seconds left and could not come up with a strategy to stop the true enemy of Canada, not Gary Bettman, not the NHL referees but JOHN CARLSON!!! You stop John Carlson, and this game becomes like last night’s game.
For me, the overtime non call on the breakaway was a call that should have been made against the Caps. I respect and admire the Habs for not getting phased by that noncall and backing up their trash talking by making the play to win the game.
Refs may be good. Refs may be neutral. Refs may be conspiracy. But once you believe the refs are out to get you, unless you’ve got 100% proof you are allowing that there are forces beyond your control that impact games and I feel that weakens your team and gets in your head.
How did the refs bias deliver the Carlson goal? How did the refs bias deliver the Backstrom hat trick goal? Those are the things that you have to focus on because those are the things you can control.
I don’t like it when Caps fans focus on Crosby bias and the penalty disparity because it’s not something that you can control.
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Perhaps this type of post is an effort to make this more of an NBA series. Lobby the refs between games so that more favorable calls are made as the series goes along.
I no longer watch the NBA.
Or perhaps this type of post is an effort to raise the Canadiens, with 24 Stanley Cups into the Cinderella of the NHL opposing the big mean refs and the unfairly aided Capitals.
Regardless I think that it does your team a disservice.
erskine has scored...now i can die in peace
by souldrummer on Apr 17, 2010 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good game everyone, see you monday!
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