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All-Time Habs Unsung Heroes List

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If I were to compose a list of the all time under- appreciated Montreal Canadiens players, my Top 10 list would elicit all kinds of debate / argument amongst Habs fans of different age groups.

Lists do that, and that is why we nag and bop heads over such things!

There are varying degrees of miscomprehension in such listings, much to do with who each fan has personally seen play. It extends to what we have read in print, online or otherwise, and understood of what has been been written about many of the Canadiens' greats of the past.

An example would be: How many readers have seen actual games involving Maurice Richard, his brother Henri, Jean Beliveau and Guy Lafleur?

Some fans, may just have come aboard just before Patrick Roy was traded away.

For myself, what I have seen is only the half of it in regards to Canadiens history, and I'm more curious about what I missed out on. I've always thought that the more you learn beyond a personal perspective, the more educated and astute one becomes.

Star-divide

For the record, Rocket Richard retired two years before I was born; I am fortunate enough to recall Beliveau's 500th goal, having seen him play three seasons in total; Henri I was able to appreciate for five seasons; and Lafleur was the first future Hab I saw play junior in person.

Those rich experiences made me crave for Canadiens history, leading me to wanting to connect with other Habs fans. There are over 700 players who have worn the Canadiens colours, and all have distinct personal stories as individual as people themselves. Looking into them, is where insight takes place. It is where one might find a truly unique take on a subject as wide spanning as a Habs All Time Unsung Heroes list.

, 9 Stanley Cups, a defensive gear jammer with offensive flair to spare

This piece was inspired by postings in recent days at Kevin van Steendelar's Ya! The Habs Rule! site. In short, he listed three players - Ken Mosdell, Tom Johnston and Rogie Vachon - who would be on such a list of mine.

The other 7 in my Top 10 would be Claude Provost, Wildor Larochelle, Pierre Bouchard, Floyd Curry, Doug Jarvis, Jean-Guy Talbot and Charlie Hodge - not a Hall Of Famer among them.

Claude Provost

Wildor Larochelle, a consistent and dependable performer, spanned some of the Habs darkest years

Pierre Bouchard, designated team tough guy on the '70's dynasty

Floyd Curry, a man for all seasons and role player par excellence in th e1950's

Doug Jarvis, a faceoff circle surebet and the NHL's Ironman

Jean-Guy Talbot, 7 Stanley Cups, a mainstay of grit, tenacity and stay-at-homeness through two eras

Charlie Hodge, a Halak precursor, starring in the backup and number one roles in a crucil time in Habs history

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As usual, a fine, thoughtful post, Robert.
Of the players active when I started seriously following Canadiens in the late 60s,
Vachon and Provost are, for me, no brainers. I see no possible reason—other than politics—why Bob Pulford should be in the Hall of Fame and Claude Provost not. Indeed, I can do some quick finger counting based on Stanley Cup rings that suggests that Provost should be and Pulford should not be in the HOF.
But, as for Jarvis and Pierre Bouchard, both of whom I admired for widely different reasons, I would never put either ahead of either J.C. Tremblay or Ralph Backstrom. And while neither Jarvis nor Bouchard the Younger deserve a place in the HOF, Tremblay assuredly does, on a par with Vachon and maybe just beneath Provost.

But this is a game, a fun game at that. And these are all truly deserving individuals.

Thanks for the post.

by JohninOssining on Feb 19, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

Backstrom might just be the king of underrated Habs. Best third line center in team history. Would have been a top 5 scorer in the league had he played anywhere else.

by Robert L on Feb 19, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Underrated players - list should include Terry Harper

The list should have included defenseman Terry Harper. Even though the fans got on him on a regular basis, he was one of the best defensemen the Canadiens ever had. The fans finally realized his worth….just watch the second game of the 1971 finals between Montreal and Chicago.

by JFrost on Feb 19, 2010 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

When I said, “It would elicit all my kinds of debate….”. Foolish of me not to list Harper, really.

by Robert L on Feb 19, 2010 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

Unsung in the 80s

How about Craig Ludwig and Mike McPhee (a big game player)? Ludwig was a stalwart on defense and McPhee a great two-way player who chipped in some offense (game 7 against the Whalers, OT helpers against Rangers and Flames).

by David K in SA on Feb 19, 2010 10:58 PM EST reply actions  

We could almost list them by decade, couldn’t we? I shall look into such a thought for a future article, considering the responses herein.

by Robert L on Feb 20, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Pierre Bouchard

Robert,

I remember a game against the Rangers when the Habs were cruising through the regular seasons and Pierre had a goal or two (definitely a multi-point game) in a lopsided Habs win. He was announced as the game’s first star and the PA announcer (Claude Mouton?) called out Pierre BUTCH Bouchard to the delighted crowd. I remember Pierre looked very emotional at that moment. The game details are a distant memory, but I remember that first star selection as being something special to him. Just thought I would share that and see if anyone else remembers that one.

by David K in SA on Feb 19, 2010 11:05 PM EST reply actions  

If that particular game could be pinpointed, I could come up with a clipping for it, quite possibly.
If anyone knows anything more….

by Robert L on Feb 20, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Credit where credit is due!

I like this subject and believe that out of 700 potentials that we all have our favorites. Personally, I think this list should be of 25 to 50. My unsungs have to include Don Awrey and Jim Roberts. Their contributions were phenomenal. They made shot blocking an art form. Great Post!!

Those of you who think you know everything just annoy those of us who do!!

by Sully F on Feb 20, 2010 7:39 AM EST reply actions  

I loved Jimmy Roberts, one of my father’s favorites. My old man used to take great pleasure in all the little things Roberts did on the ice, and how he made himself into a total pain in the ass to play against.

by Robert L on Feb 20, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

The Little M

Once again, Robert a thoughtful post and it’s nice to see that others have mentioned some of the names that immediately came to my mind, Backstrom, Tremblay, Roberts etc..

But in my eyes so far there has been one glaring exception from the discussion.

I would submit the name of Peter Mahovlich to any list of underappreciated Habs.

The fact is that the ‘Little M’ still holds the single season record for most assists in team history. In addition, no Habs center before or since has been able to top his 117 point season in 1974-75. Don’t forget that it was originally Mahovlich at center who helped ignite the careers of both Guy Lafleur and Steve Shutt. Throw in his excellent penalty killing skills, his clutch play in the 1971 playoffs, his performance in the classic New Year’s Eve game, and his noteworthy appearances on both Team Canada 1972 and 1976, and of course four Stanley Cups and you have one of the most underappreciated of all Montreal Canadiens.

In his article in which he named Mahovlich as the 16th best Hab he had covered, Red Fisher had this to say.

Mahovlich was a perfect fit with the Canadiens. They needed his size (6-foot-5, 210 pounds). They needed his skill with the puck. They needed the joy he brought to the ice, and off it. Hockey was a game, something to enjoy – and Peter enjoyed it to the fullest. What also made the big centreman special was that while his linemates rode the big wave with him,

It wasn’t that long ago that Serge Savard was talking about Peter Mahovlich who, in his view, was the most underrated player in Canadiens history.

“Look what he has done,” Savard said. "A franchise record 82 assists in one season. He had 117 points that year and 105 points the next. Look what he did in ’72 against the Russians. The short-handed goal he scored in the second game in Toronto kept us alive in that series.

“He turned it around for us after we lost so badly in the first game. The way he played all through that series … and in the Canada Cup four years later. Not a lot of people knew how great he was. Not enough people realized it. Our team knew.”

T.C.

by T.C. on Feb 20, 2010 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

I guess it depends on one’s point of view, but I always found that Pete was appreciated to full value when he played, but is now somewhat in the shadows of many legends. I never could consider him as unsung, because of so many achievements, among them, those you’ve listed.

The most curious recollection I have of Mahovlich from watching him for close to six seasons is how much better I always thought he could have been on a consistent basis. With the physique he had, the reach and strength, all that was missing was the temperment. I’d venture that he even had Mario Lemieux-like potential, that went untapped.

Everyone knew Pete was a fun-loving guy. When he played with an edge, you could almost read that Bowman had lit into him the game before. Sadly, every third or fourth game, Pete played as though hungover. He was probably the first player I heard as having all the tools, but a failing toolbox.

One Pete story I will never forget: After one of the Habs Cup wins, the team had been invited into the mayor’s office for celebrations and signing the city books. Peter kept referring to Jean Drapeau as Johnny Flag, and at one point, took his shoes off, sat at the mayor’s desk and put his bare feet up on it while smoking a cigar.

That was Pete, in a nutshell!

by Robert L on Feb 20, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Love it. What a great story!
Pete Mahovlich was one of my all-time Hab faves. Tremendous talent, great stickhandler.

And, yes, Jim Roberts is a great choice for the Under-appreciated Habs list. Ron Caron tells the story that Sam Pollock told him that the St. Louis Blues had offered Roberts back to the Canadiens in return for Phil Roberto, a promising young right-winger. Caron said something like: “Who do they think they’re kidding?” And Pollock just said: “Well, I did the deal.” Sam was 100% right too.

With Roberts, you got the rare fellow who could play defense and right-wing equally well. And, of course, he was a right-hand shot to boot.

I always thought that part of his value was to convince the veteran Habs, guys he’d played with on Stanley Cup championship teams back in the mid-‘60s— that Bowman knew what he was doing and was worth putting-up with. Roberts had been a key player and the captain on Bowman’s Blues teams. He knew his Scotty. And he could say, “Well, yeah, he’s difficult, but, yeah, he’s smart as hell. Suck it up!”

by JohninOssining on Feb 20, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

There have been way more than 10 unsung heroes in the time I’ve watched the Canadiens, since 1953. But the ones that head my list are Ralph Backstrom, Claude Provost and J.C. Tremblay, all of whom should be in the Hall of Fame.

by Peter Young on Feb 20, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Way more than 10, for sure!

To be truthful, the 10 I named were merely the first bunch that popped into my mind. Had I sought to make a definitive top 10, I’d still be at it.

Off the top of my head again…Bill Nyrop, Claude Lemieux, Stephan Lebeau, Jacques Laperriere, Rick Green, Gaston Gingras, Mario Tremblay, Don Marshall, Bobby Rousseau, Gilles Tremblay…

by Robert L on Feb 20, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

Laperriere, I think was fully appreciated and is in the HOF. A great Canadien.

Lemieux, yes, indeed, if only Savard hadn’t traded him away. Loved Lemieux.

Nyrop, Green, Gingras and Tremblay the Younger were good, but I wouldn’t put them close to the top of this pack.

A big yes to Bobby Rousseau and a yes to Marshall and Gilles Tremblay. (Rousseau used to kill the Canadiens during his brief Rangers tenure, especially on the power play and in the playoffs. Used to drive me nuts watching him play for in a Ranger uniform.)

by JohninOssining on Feb 20, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Réjean Houle?

Very nice post Robert! I like the choices of Claude Provost, Ralph Backstrom (I have video of him scoring unbelievable goals…), Doug Jarvis, Craig Ludwig, Jim Roberts… I didn’t think JC Tremblay was unsung…I tought he was quite recognized even though he is not in the Hall of Fame.
How about Réjean Houle? He contributed key goals and assists in the playoffs (71 and 79 among other years) and played a defensive role also…

by Francis B. on Feb 20, 2010 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

Do you have a video of Backstrom’s fantastic goal against the Red Wings in Detroit during the Stanley Cup finals of 1966? If anyone has a clip of that, I’d love to see it again.

by Peter Young on Feb 21, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes I do have video of that great Backstrom goal! It might be included as part of a post in the next few months.

by Francis B. on Feb 21, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yo, Francis B.

Your point about J.C. is well taken. Still, he isn’t in the Hall of Fame—and clearly should be. Much as I admire Laperriere—and I do greatly—Tremblay is just as much or more deserving of being in the HOF.

Houle? My own feeling is that his greatest contribution came very, very early in his career: Shadowing Bobby Hull in the 1971 Stanley Cup Finals. My favorite Canadiens’ playoff year of all time.

Which reminds me: Francis B., you and Robert should do a riff about the 1969-70 season. A great deal of the reason 1971 meant so much to so many of us is that it followed the catastrophic collapse of 1970.

I was pondering this the other day, reliving it game-by-game, at Hockey Reference. We all forget—or at least, we (I) forget—that Canadiens made a tremendous charge over the last month of regular season play. We all remember the terrible last two games, but we forget that Rangers had a lead going into the last month. But then Detroit made a big charge that brought them third place, while Rangers lost game after game. Were it not for those final two games . . . .

by JohninOssining on Feb 20, 2010 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

I’ll pipe in with – as others above – Jim Roberts. And Claude Larose as well.

by Phil L on Feb 20, 2010 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

I dig the Floyd Curry inclusion. There were a number of scrappy players which kept the team going in the ’50s, but the big point getters (Geoffrion, Moore, Richard, etc.) always get the attention.

by westcoasthabs on Feb 21, 2010 3:03 AM EST reply actions  

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