Many Years Ago, The Canadiens Helped Legitimize The Blues
The Canadiens host the St. Louis tonight, in one of the ever too rare cross conference games. Often when the two teams meet, I think back to all the players who have shared both jerseys over the years.
The Blues were once a sort of Montreal Canadiens Annex, thanks in no small part to Scotty Bowman, who coached the team in their first three seasons starting in 1967 and brought over many players he had known through his years as a scout and coach in the Montreal system in the 1960's.
When the NHL expanded by six teams that year, the Blues, on Bowman's advice, picked apart the Canadiens minor league teams and built a fairly solid roster very quickly. Bowman knew his stuff, and the Blues made three straight trips to the Stanley Cup final.
With a team solidified with former Habs, the Blues lost to the Canadiens in 1968 and 1969. The following year, St. Louis fell to the heavily favoured Bruins in four games. In fact, when Bobby Orr scored the Cup winner flying through the air, it was a former Hab - Noel Picard - who tripped him!
Early Blues history has the Canadiens written all over them. The Plager brothers, Barclay and Bill, who became legends in St. Louis, were once coached by Bowman in junior when they played for the Canadiens sponsored Peterborough (T.P.T.'s) Petes. Bowman lured some great names from the Canadiens past to play for the Blues during those years, including Jacques Plante, Doug Harvey, Ted Harris, Jean Guy Talbot, and Dickie Moore.
Small wonder the Blues contended so quickly!
The trouble was, and perhaps as Canadiens fans, it was a good thing, is that Bowman had a penchent for wanting to run the show. Blues then GM Lynn Patrick understood Bowman's vision, but team owner Sid Salomon III did not. Salomon enjoyed a close relationship with his players, and in return, players adored going to St. Louis, where they were in turn royally treated. This closeness went totally against Bowman's tactical methods and ploys for getting the best out of his fringe player troops.
In time, the longer the Bowman tenure endured, the more it became apparent that the two diverse philosophies would combust. During the 1970-71 campaign, Bowman was cut loose from the Blues organization, poised to make a return to Montreal where he would inherit a Stanley Cup winning team later that year.
70 since '67
Since 1967, seventy players have worn both the bluenote and the CH. If you are a longtime fan of the game, you will surely recognize a bunch from the Blue glory years from 1967 to 1970. Here's an alphabetical listing of all players who have appeared in at least one game for both club:
Don Awrey, Murray Baron, Normand Baron, Red Berenson, Bob Berry, Christian Bordeleau, Andre Boudrias, Valeri Bure, Jim Campbell, Guy Carbonneau, Shayne Corson, Bill Collins, Wayne Connelly, J.J. Daigneault, Gilbert Delorme, Aaron Downy, Rory Fitzpatrick, Ron Flockhart, Dave Gardner, Doug Gilmour, Gaston Gingras, Phil Goyette, Ted Harris, Doug Harvey, Sean Hill, Fran Huck, Pat Hughes, Mark Hunter, Mike Johnson, Mike Keane, Christian Laflamme, Mike Lalor, Guy Lapointe, Michel Larocque, Claude Larose, Gary Leeman, Chuck Lefley, Jocelyn Lemieux, Bill McCreary, Rick Meagher, Glen Metropolit, Sergio Momesso, Jim Montgomery, Dickie Moore, Phil Myre, Ric Natress, Greg Paslawski, Noel Picard, Jacques Plante, Michel Plasse, Stephane Quintal, Rob Ramage, Stephane Richer, Vincent Riendeau, Phil Roberto, Jimmy Roberts, Bill Root, Martin Rucinski, Glen Sather, Brian Savage, Bill Sutherland, Jean Guy Talbot, Larry Trader, Pierre Turgeon, Perry Turnbull, Ernie Wakely, Rick Wamsley, Eric Weinrich, Doug Wickenheiser, and Rick Wilson.
Additionally, several Habs prospects, such as goalie Ted Ouimet, and prospect Andre " Moose" Dupont, also got their NHL careers rolling in St. Louis, after toilling in the Habs system for years.
In 41 years of games between the Blues and Canadiens, the Habs have owned them big time. The teams have met 119 times, with the Canadiens holding a record of 71-25-22, with one overtime loss. Here's hoping the domination continues tonight. The Blues owe us!
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Robert – what a nice trip down memory lane. Truth be told, some of those early expansion Cups were slightly tainted due to the inferior rosters of the new teams. The eastern final was really the true battle for the Cup. I also thought it was kind of funny that Vancouver played in the “Eastern” division for a few years.
You’re right, it sure was a funny set up back then, but it made a certain sense. To sell hockey in six new cities, giving one a shot at the Stanley Cup final was an interesting idea, although it ultimately diluted the quality in terms of what came before. When Vancouver and Buffalo joined the league in 1970-71, Chicago moved to the West, which is equally odd. The Canucks remained in a seven team East Division until 1974-75 when the addition of the Capitals and Kansas City Scouts enabled four divisions comprised of four teams. Vancouver were in the Smythe I believe, which was also not the last time the NHL named a section after a true bastard!
They were indeed in the Smythe, where they remained until the mid-90s, when the divisions were renamed.
Incidentally, the division that the Smythe became, the Pacific, now has two old Smythe teams (LA and after a few years abroad in the Norris, Winnipeg Phoenix), while the Northwest has three (Edmonton, Vancouver, Calgary; and if you want to count a fourth market, Colorado). The alignment of the Pacific is all goofy now; two divisions per conference would actually solve a lot of that, imbalance be damned, but good luck with that.
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That's another memory trip
Forgot about all those early ’90s shifts. Tampa Bay was even in the Norris briefly, I believe.
I’d be a fan of four divisions, imbalance be damned. Amp up the regional rivalries and help teams that get penalized by time zones. (But yeah, good luck with that.)
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Excellent memory trip
The opening photo of Carbonneau gave me a good chuckle because:
1) it reminded me of the ‘90s-era Dallas-Habs overlap, as well as one obscure guy who isn’t on your list but was acquired for Carbonneau and actually saw time with the Blues, Habs and Stars: Jim Montgomery.
2) When Carbonneau was a Star, it was his slash that broke Pierre Turgeon’s wrist, one ex-captain to another.
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Nice
Nice post Robert. I always liked the Blues jersey. I have a nice Claude Larose Blues jersey at home…
The Blues are legitimate?
Damn, that might be the nicest thing anyone’s ever said about us.
I hate having to sit on a Carey Price joke for a once-a-year contest….
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by CrossCheckRaise on Jan 20, 2010 7:22 PM EST reply actions
Bill Plager?
I think you meant Bob who is still with the organization more than 40 years later.
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