Ten Things Martin Brodeur Will Never Have Over Patrick Roy
New Jersey Devils goaltender Martin Brodeur is about to equal, and of course surpass, Patrick Roy's mark for regular season wins by a goaltender. Should Brodeur win his next game - hardly coincidental that it's against the Habs this coming Saturday - he will tie Roy in the building where his jersey number hangs in honour.
In time, Brodeur may eventually own just about every goaltender record of merit there is to own, save for Glenn Hall's 502 consecutive games played and Johnny Bower's "Honky The Christmas Goose", but in the esteem of many knowledgable hockey fans, Martin can barely tie Roy's skates when it comes to achievements that matter beyond regular season wins.
Here is both a fact based, and a lighterhearted look at the merits of two of hockey's most prolific stoppers.
1 - HARDWARE: Roy has won one more Stanley Cup than Brodeur, and leads 3 - 0 in Conn Smythe trophy wins.
2 - ERA'S: By the time Brodeur won his first Cup in 1995, Roy had already won two. Roy's initial achievements came in an era when goaltenders did not dress like upright picnic tables, pumped full of padded, inflated equipement.
3 - NICKNAMES: After his second Montreal Cup, Roy's nickname went from Casseau to Saint Patrick. Brodeur has no nickname, but plays for Satan's team.
4 - DEFENSE: Roy once won a Cup on a team that featured Patrice Brisebois on defense. Brodeur plays behind the trap.
5 - HOCKEY PURITY: Brodeur's won a bunch of games in the era when ties no longer existed. Roy might have sucked in shootouts, but all his wins were earned in a less watered down era.
6 - BOOKS AND BIOGRAPHIES: Roy's book was written by his father, a boring tome with a great title called "Winning, Nothing Else". It was an end of career encapsulation. Brodeur's father Denis used to be a photographer for the Canadiens, whose one book features only photos. Brodeur's own book was co - authored by Damien Cox, who is best known for covering the Toronto Maple Leafs, and was called "Beyond The Crease". Brodeur's book has come years before his days are over, and was basically written around a plea to lessen restrictions on goalie equipement sizedowns.
7 - TEMPERMENT VERSUS AUTHORITY: Roy has locked horns with Mike Vernon in a bloody fight, was suspended by the NHL for cracking Warren Babe in the shins, won a power struggle with Mario Tremblay, has taken on the entirety of the QMJHL several times, and slayed Jeremy Roenick in a verbal ust. Brodeur has scored two empty net goals.
8 - OFF ICE SHENANIGANS OF THE MARITAL KIND: Roy somehow managed to remain married his entire career, before becoming divorced. His marital melting point came after a family gathering at his home in Colorado, wherein he lost his head and ripped a door off its hinges. 911 was called, but Roy escaped the law. Brodeur banged his sister in law, and got caught.
9 - GUTS, BALLS, ETC: Roy had his appendix removed during the 1994 playoffs. He missed a game and returned three nights later, stopping over 50 shots in an overtime win. Brodeur pulled a muscle in his bicept in 2008-09, missing 50 games.
10 - CULTURE: Roy plied his trade in the province and state that respectively gave the world Celine Dion and John Denver. Brodeur played his entire career in Bruce Springsteen's backyard. Hey, you can't win 'em all!
Brodeur and Roy are similar in some ways, and opposite in others. Curiously both enjoy having their photos taken at the Canadiens bench in the company of former Habs.
For a more serious look inside the greatest goalie debate, check out Greatest Hockey Legends' breakdown of numbers. For myself, the best all time stopper is neither a Habs, nor Brodeur. It just might be this man.
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No 5 amongst others
Roy retired after 2002-03.
I beleive the shootout did not start until 03-04..
Figure that even going that 50% his 131 ties were shootouts, thats another 65 wins for Roy….or take away the 27 of 41 possible shootout wins that Brodeur has and revert them to ties…
Brodeur also lost a full season due to the lockout so he’s lost potentially 40-45 wins.
Roy also has 2 sons that have been suspended in the Q (one the night before his jersey retirement in Montreal) . Brodeur 0.
speaking of Jersey Retirements…..Roy 2—-Brodeur, one day, 1
correction
THe shootout started in 05-06, after the lockout.
Things Brodeur also has..
his own website: MartinBrodeur30.com
and owns a company called “La Pizzaria Etc.” with Sheldon Souray, which is ironic considering he did a frozen pizza commercial with Luc Robitaille..
and Brodeur married his sister-in-law 2 years after his divorce…Martin 2 Patrick 0
eeek Olympic Gold Medal
Up and coming…He has 3 sons with his first wife, so they could catch the Roy boys in Q suspensions..lol
by yathehabsrule on Mar 13, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
and those are the ones that we publically know of…..
by yathehabsrule on Mar 13, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
"Pulled a muscle in his bicep"?
I think the muscle completely detaching from his elbow is a bit more than a “pull”.
One thing Brodeur will never have that Roy can keep: St. Patrick popularized the cancerous playing style that now makes goaltending one of the most boring things to watch in sports – the butterfly. Lucky for us, great goalies like Hasek, Khabibulin, and Brodeur know how to do something besides get down on their knees.
One more fun fact: Patty R never played behind a defence that featured Paul Martin and Johnny Oduya as its top pairing.
top pairing in NJ
cough cough Scott Stevens and Scott Neidermayer… :)
Ever heard of ’em?
by yathehabsrule on Mar 13, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is there really a “debate” over who is better. Brodeur played for a team that has been either the best or second best consistently over virtually his entire career.
It’s interesting that Ken Dryden is often dismissed for being considered one of the greatest for the very reason he played behind such great teams. Well, Brodeur had it much better than Roy, and, obviously Hasek. If he played for the Islanders his whole career, what would he have accomplished? Nothing. …shit, if he played for the Habs, what would he have accomplished? Not much more. Aside from him owning the Habs, which almost every other goaltender from the provice does anyway, his greatest asset is his endurance. Other than that… he’s hardly even close to Plante, Hasek, Roy, etc.
If the Canadiens win only one more game this season, I hope it is this Saturday. They’ll probably just bend over and quit like they usually do against the Devils and Brodeur, but I hope they make an exception this one time at least….
Ties the record Saturday
yeah he will….Brisebois is playing..
Then he breaks the record on Mar 17….St. Patrick’s Day
by yathehabsrule on Mar 13, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand the hostility towards Marty
Brodeur probably wasn’t as good of a goalie, but let’s not forget that Roy had more success in Colorado and their defensive pairing the end of the 90s and beginning of 2000s has been as good as the Devils.
And I’m surprised with all the talk so far, the 01 final hasn’t come up yet.
Mourning Guy Carbonneau...
Royals obscure player to watch in ST: Lenny DiNardo
by playingwithfire on Mar 13, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
If Tie Domi never elbowed Scott Niedermayer in the face, the Devils win that SCF.
Devils in my heart! Devils in my mind! Devils in my eyes! Devils until I die!
by John Fischer on Mar 13, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If Tie Domi never elbowed Scott Niedermayer the Devils don’t get past the Leafs.
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Let's not forget
I get a kick out of everyone who assumes that Pat Roy played with a defence as futile in a Rose Bowl Game.
Everybody talks about Scott Stevens and Neidermayer. The Lore of Defencemen? Or maybe. We can also discuss the oblivious. I can’t help but remember a time when Roy was surrounded with an equivqlent supporting casts.
Let’s mention the treasures Roy had protecting his ass, and where they rank compared to two above.
1.Chris Chelios for some 5-6 years
2. The super underated Craig Ludwig (Greatest shot blocker of his or any era)
3. Current Canadiens’ PP sparkplug, Mathiew Schneider
4. The always reliable and efficient, Eric Desjardins
5. The Monsterous Rob Blake
6. Legend Ray Bourque, who at the end of his career was still effective
7. Bruiser and crease killer, Adam Foot
In the end, where would you rank these players, compared with Steven and Neidermayer?
by 100yearsogreatness on Mar 14, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions
Whoa. Wait a second. What are you smoking?
Celine Dion + John Denver <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Bruce Springsteen.
And I’m not even a fan of the guy.
Celine played here once, sang for 45 minutes because her voc’s couldn’t handle more, and left the stage after 45 minute. Next night in Toronto, for 20 bucks less, the Boss played a four hour show with a 45 minutes encore. That was 1992, and the Boss is still doing the same long show 17 years later. Dion retires every two years, rarely tours, and is as plastic as anything. Denver had too much weed one evening and crashed his own plane. Nuff said!
haha.
This was funny.. Althought with the whole defence, shootout and bruce springsteen, (lol way to point it out alby)
was a bit off… Patrick Roy and Martin Brodeur will always be a huge rivalry, no matter how many points, records, or w.e Brodeur passes and doesn’t….This is just really an opinion on anybody… I choose Roy, some of you choose Brodeur.. Simple as that. =)
karina =)
by xXBelieveInPenguinsXx on Mar 14, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
Roy had his appendix removed during the 1994 playoffs. He missed a game and returned three nights later, stopping over 50 shots in an overtime win. Brodeur pulled a muscle in his bicept in 2008-09, missing 50 games.
Well, to be perfectly fair, snapping your biceps tendon is a little harder to recover from than appendix surgery as a matter of pure physiology.
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